Natural Log : seems as a discontinous function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the continuity of the natural logarithm function, particularly focusing on its behavior as x approaches 0 and the implications of its domain. Participants explore the definitions of continuity and the specific domain of the natural logarithm function.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that ln(x) is not continuous because it approaches -∞ as x approaches 0, where the function is not defined.
  • Another participant clarifies that continuity requires the function to be defined at the point in question, noting that 0 is not in the domain of ln(x).
  • A third participant emphasizes that since 0 is not in the domain of ln(x), the initial observation about continuity does not pose a problem.
  • Some participants propose that all logarithmic functions have a domain of (0, ∞), while acknowledging that in complex analysis, the logarithm can be extended to other values but cannot include 0 without losing continuity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the natural logarithm is not defined at 0 and thus does not present a continuity issue at that point. However, there is some debate regarding the implications of this for the broader understanding of logarithmic functions and their domains.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion hinges on the definitions of continuity and domain, and there are references to complex analysis that introduce additional complexity without resolving the primary focus on the real-valued logarithm.

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The function f is continuous at some point c of its domain if the limit of f(x) as x approaches c through the domain of f exists and is equal to f(c). In mathematical notation, this is written as
[itex]lim_{x\rightarrow c}[/itex] f(x) = f(c) from the positive and negative sides .

For ln(x) (the natural log of x), as x[itex]\rightarrow[/itex]0 , ln(x) approaches -[itex]\infty[/itex]

Hence I would stand by the notion that ln(x) is not continuous since at x=0, the function is not defined .

Also, the graph does not exist in x<0 domain ; so ln(x) can never approach -[itex]\infty[/itex] from the -ve "x" side .
 
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A function is continuous if it continuous at every point in its domain. The domain of natural logarithm (when treated as a real function) is ##(0,\infty)##. Zero is not part of the domain of log.
 
The part you seem to forget is "some point c of its domain". 0 is not in the domain of ln so this is why your observation is not a problem. The domain of ln is the positive numbers.

It is however an interesting observation in its own right and it implies that you cannot possibly define ln(0) in such a way that the extension would be continuous.
 
extending the idea you proposed, would it be logical to assume that each and every log(x) function has a domain (0,infinity) ?
 
hms.tech said:
extending the idea you proposed, would it be logical to assume that each and every log(x) function has a domain (0,infinity) ?

Yes (slight lie, see below). Every log is defined precisely on the positive numbers.
This is a slight lie because in complex analysis we actually extend log and define it for many complex numbers. However we will never be able to include 0 in the domain (without making it discontinuous), and this little side remark is not important to you right now.
 

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