Natural Logarithm of Negative Numbers

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The discussion revolves around the natural logarithm of negative numbers, specifically in the context of solving the equation (-2)^n = 16. Participants explore the implications of using logarithms with negative bases and the multivalued nature of logarithmic functions.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies n=4 as a solution to the equation but questions how to derive it using logarithms of negative numbers.
  • Another participant notes that n=4 is not the only solution and emphasizes the multivalued nature of logarithms, suggesting a parametrization approach.
  • A third participant explains that the periodic nature of the exponential function leads to the multivalued characteristic of logarithms, referencing Euler's formula.
  • One participant requests clarification and examples to better understand the multivalued aspect of logarithms.
  • A later reply challenges the initial assumption that n=4 is a solution, stating that the friend made a mistake and providing a more detailed formulation involving principal values and arbitrary integers.
  • This reply indicates that n=4 is just one of infinitely many solutions, while also asserting that it is the only pure real solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of n=4 as a solution, with some asserting it is not the only solution and others emphasizing the need for a more nuanced understanding of logarithms of negative numbers. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the principal value of logarithms and the role of arbitrary integers in the solutions, indicating that assumptions about the nature of logarithmic functions are critical to the discussion.

prasannapakkiam
Well I came across this when someone asked me this question:

(-2)^n = 16

I can clearly see n=4. However, he did this:

ln((-2)^n) = ln(16)
n*ln(-2) = ln(16)
n*ln(2)+n*i*pi = ln(16)

How can I show that n=4 from this?
 
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It's because n=4 isn't the only possible solution. Remember that log is a multivalued function (like arcsin) -- so introduce the necessary parametrisation, and see that it can be set to zero.
 
Log is a multivalued function since e^x is a periodic function. Remember that Euler showed that

e^{ix} = \cos{x} + i\sin{x} and hence we have that e^x = e^{x + 2\pi i n and more general since a^x = e^{\ln{a} x} it's true that a^x is a periodic function.
 
Can someone please Exemplify? I get what they say; but I am still stuck...
 
prasannapakkiam said:
However, he did this:

ln((-2)^n) = ln(16)
n*ln(-2) = ln(16)
n*ln(2)+n*i*pi = ln(16)

How can I show that n=4 from this?

You can't, because your friend made a mistake. As written, n=4 is not a solution. He should have used

\begin{align*}<br /> \ln(-2) &amp;= \text{Ln}(2) + (1 + 2k) \pi i \\<br /> \ln(16) &amp;= \text{Ln}(16) + 2m\pi i<br /> \end{align*}

where \text{Ln}(x) is the principal value of the natural logarithm and k and m are abitrary integers.

Applying the above to n\ln(-2) = \ln(16) yields

n(\text{Ln}(2) + (1 + 2k) \pi i) = \text{Ln}(16) + 2m\pi i

From this you should be able to show that n=4 is but one of infinitely many solutions and also that n=4 is the only pure real solution.
 
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Thanks for all your input. In the end I see that it is quite a simple problem. However, thanks for putting me on track...
 

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