Navier-Stokes and why DP/Dz is constant

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between pressure gradient and flow characteristics in the context of Poiseuille's Law, using the continuity equation and the Navier-Stokes equations. Participants explore the implications of pressure being a function of different variables and the conditions under which these functions can be considered constant.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the differential equation derived from Poiseuille's Law indicates that DP/dz is a function of R only, leading to the assertion that both sides must be constants for equality to hold.
  • Another participant emphasizes that for fully developed flow, the fluid velocity does not depend on z, suggesting a specific flow condition.
  • A participant seeks clarification on why a function of Z being equal to a function of R necessitates that both functions are constants, expressing confusion about the underlying logic.
  • Further contributions explore the implications of the Navier-Stokes equations, indicating that pressure variations in other directions are hydrostatic, which may influence the independence of DP/dz from R.
  • Participants engage in a back-and-forth about the conditions under which functions of different variables can be equal, with one asking for examples where f(r) and g(z) are not constants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of the equations and the conditions for constants. There is no consensus on the logic behind the necessity for both functions to be constants, and the discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the relationships between variables in the equations, with some noting that assumptions about flow conditions and pressure variations may not be fully addressed.

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So in trying to solve for Poiseuille's Law using the continuty eq and Navier-Stokes, the differential EQ becomes DP/dz = some function of R only. The professor says that because DP/dz is ONLY a function of Z, and the left side is ONLY a function of R, the only way they can be equal is if both are constants.

What's the intuition or reasoning behind this?
 
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If the flow is fully developed, then the fluid velocity does not depend on z. Also, the flow velocity is purely axial. Are you comfortable with this?

Chet
 
Oh sorry, I should have labeled. the P means pressure of flow and z is the direction.
I have found a similar explanation on this video which may give you a better understanding of what I'm asking. This is at time 1:50.

Sorry, the explanation still isn't working for me!
 
What I was trying to do is to explain why your professor is correct. For fully developed flow in a horizontal pipe, the velocity vector is given by:
[tex]\vec{V}=v(r)\vec{i}_z[/tex]
where ##\vec{i}_z## is the unit vector in the axial direction. This relationship satisfies the continuity equation exactly and, if you substitute it into the z component of the momentum equation in cylindrical coordinates, you end up with your professor's equation. The right hand side of this equation is independent of z. That means that dp/dz is independent of z. Right now, I don't see how to prove that dp/dz is not a function of r, but I'll think about it. I know that it is.

Chet
 
After thinking about it some more, I realized that dp/dz not being a function of r comes from the components of the NS equation in the other two directions. For these other two directions, the pressure variations are hydrostatic.

Chet
 
I just reread my question and it's more vague than I thought it was, sorry about that!
I do agree with all the equations in the video and what you've posted, but here's my real question:

I'm curious as to why, at time 1:50 in the video, a function of Z only being equal to a function of R only means that both of them have to be constants for this to be true. It doesn't haveWhat is the logic behind this?
 
yosimba2000 said:
I just reread my question and it's more vague than I thought it was, sorry about that!
I do agree with all the equations in the video and what you've posted, but here's my real question:

I'm curious as to why, at time 1:50 in the video, a function of Z only being equal to a function of R only means that both of them have to be constants for this to be true. It doesn't haveWhat is the logic behind this?
If f(r) = g(z), give me a specific example of a case in which f and g are not constants.

Chet
 
yosimba2000 said:
So in trying to solve for Poiseuille's Law using the continuty eq and Navier-Stokes, the differential EQ becomes DP/dz = some function of R only. The professor says that because DP/dz is ONLY a function of Z, and the left side is ONLY a function of R, the only way they can be equal is if both are constants.

What's the intuition or reasoning behind this?

Start with: [tex] \frac{\partial p}{\partial z} = f(r).[/tex] Using the given information, [tex] \frac{\partial f}{\partial r} = \frac{\partial}{\partial r}\left(\frac{\partial p}{\partial z}\right) = 0[/tex] and [tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial z}\left(\frac{\partial p}{\partial z}\right) =\frac{\partial f}{\partial z} = 0.[/tex] Hence [itex]f(r) = \frac{\partial p}{\partial z}[/itex] is constant.
 

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