Seeking closed form solution of Navier-Stokes for a fluid in an annular space.

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The discussion revolves around finding a closed form solution to the Navier-Stokes equations for fluid flow in an annular space between a stationary outer cylinder and a rotating inner cylinder. Participants explore various aspects of the problem, including boundary conditions, the complexity of solutions, and the nature of fluid motion in cylindrical coordinates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Navier-Stokes equations in cylindrical coordinates, specifying boundary conditions of zero velocity at the outer surface and constant velocities at the inner surface.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of a "closed form" solution, suggesting that many significant problems do not yield such solutions.
  • A different participant expresses a desire for a closed form solution for ease of repeatability, contrasting it with the complexity of numerical methods that involve multiple steps and programming.
  • One participant recalls that there is an exact solution for fluid motion through a pipe, noting that the motion fronts are paraboloids, but does not provide a direct application to the current problem.
  • Another participant suggests that the scenario may relate to Taylor-Couette flow, mentioning that known solutions exist for low rotational speeds but become complex for higher speeds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and necessity of a closed form solution, with some advocating for it while others suggest that it may not be essential. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to solving the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the flow due to the presence of two boundary layers and the challenges associated with finding analytical solutions in the context of varying rotational speeds.

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I have a pressure flow problem where I'm trying to understand the velocity profile of a fluid in an annular space between a stationary exterior cylinder and a rotating, longitudinally advancing cylinder at its center.

So the boundary conditions a zero velocity at the exterior surface and a constant angular and longitudinal velocity at the interior surface.

I begin by simplifying the usual form of Navier-Stokes in cylindrical coordinates to the following three equations, knowing that acceleration and velocity in the radial direction are zero:

[1] -ρ(u_θ^2)/r=μ*(2/r^2)((∂u_θ)/∂θ)-(∂u_θ)/∂θ+ρ*g_r

[2] ρ((∂u_θ)/∂t+(u_θ/r)((∂u_θ)/∂θ)+u_z*((∂u_θ)/∂z))=μ[(∂^2*u_θ)/(∂r^2 )+(1/r^2)*((∂^2 u_θ)/(∂θ^2))+(∂^2 u_θ)/(∂z^2 )]-(1/r)(∂p/∂θ)+ρ*g_θ

[3] ρ((∂u_z)/∂t+(u_θ/r)(∂u_z)/∂θ+u_z*(∂u_z)/∂z)=μ[(∂^2*u_z)/(∂r^2)+(1/r^2)(∂u_z)/(∂θ^2)+(∂^2*u_z)/(∂z^2)]-∂p/∂z+ρ*g_z

How do I solve for u_θ and u_z??
 
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Why should the solution be "closed form"?
Most answers to the questions of life, universe and everything are not closed form solutions.
 
I've been considering different ways to find a numerical solution, but for the sake of repeatability I'd like to find a solution with a couple of neat equations that I can just plug and chug down the road.

Most of the numerical modeling methods involve several different steps, including generation of a mesh, iterative solving using some form of programming, and then finding a way to make that data usable for later calculations. Unfortunately, generating the velocity profile is only the first step of the problem.
 
I'm not going to do the entire calculation, but, if I remember correctly, there is an exact solution to fluid motion through a pipe (cylinder) and the fronts (motion of what was initially a cross section of the pipe) are paraboloids.
 
That's the standard solution for steady-state, pressure driven flow in a stationary pipe. In this case we have two boundary layers. In the attached image, I'm trying to solve for the velocity profile between the two boundary layers, where the outer (brown) layer is stationary, and the inner (blue pipe) layer is moving to the right and rotating.
 

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I think what you are describing is Taylor-Couette flow. For very low rotational speeds it has a known solution (like V=Ar+B/r, where A and B depend on radius and rotational speed), but it quickly becomes difficult to get analytic solutions.
 

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