Navigating Recommendation Letters for a Gap Between MS and PhD in EE

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The discussion revolves around strategies for obtaining letters of recommendation for a PhD in Electrical Engineering (EE) after a significant gap (10-20 years) between obtaining a Master's degree and pursuing a PhD. Participants explore the appropriateness of different types of referees, including professors, employers, and co-workers, particularly in the context of not being currently involved in academia.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to secure letters of recommendation given the potential retirement of professors by the time they pursue their PhD.
  • Another participant suggests that obtaining a reference from an employer is a standard approach in such situations.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the value of references from co-workers, arguing they may not carry much weight.
  • Conversely, others argue that references from engineering supervisors or long-term colleagues involved in significant projects could be valuable, especially if they hold graduate degrees.
  • A participant recounts their experience writing successful letters of reference for co-workers, challenging the notion that co-worker references are worthless, and suggests that established professionals can provide valuable insights.
  • There is a recognition that the context of the relationship and the professional standing of the referee can influence the value of the recommendation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the value of co-worker references, with some asserting they are inadequate while others provide counterexamples of their effectiveness. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to securing recommendations in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of the referee's authority and relationship to the candidate, but there is no consensus on the best sources for recommendations given the specific circumstances of a long gap in academic activity.

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What do you do if you have like a 10 or 20 year gap between your MS and your PhD with respect to getting letters of recommendation? I would eventually like to get my PhD, but I'm pretty sure that a good deal of my professors will be retired by the time I'd like to go for it.

Are you supposed to stay in touch with a few professors as long as you have further academic ambitions, or is there some other way to get letters of recommendation, say from your boss or co-workers?

This is for a PhD in EE, and I will not be within academia at all. I'd like to just work on my PhD part-time in the future, no matter how long it takes.
 
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I think the standard thing to do in this situation is to get your employer to be your referee.
 
A reference from a co-worker would be pretty much worthless I would think.
 
bravernix said:
A reference from a co-worker would be pretty much worthless I would think.

A reference from an engineering supervisor might be ok though, especially since he is looking at engineering graduate school.
 
leright said:
A reference from an engineering supervisor might be ok though, especially since he is looking at engineering graduate school.

Yes, definitely anyone in a position of authority would be good. But, having a fellow co-worker write you a letter would probably be about the same as having a friend write a letter.
 
bravernix said:
A reference from a co-worker would be pretty much worthless I would think.


I have written no less than 5 letters of reference for co-workers to go to or go back to graduate school. None were turned down and I have gotten calls from the school asking if we have any other people who would like to come and get degrees because our people have been exceptional. I am not a manager in any way shape or form, so how can you say what you said above is true.
 
Grad schools are looking to predict what wet-behind-the-ears undergrads will make decent researchers. Coworkers with whom you have been working on major professional projects for 10-20 years, who also hold graduate degrees...well, it's a whole different level.
 
Dr Transport said:
I have written no less than 5 letters of reference for co-workers to go to or go back to graduate school. None were turned down and I have gotten calls from the school asking if we have any other people who would like to come and get degrees because our people have been exceptional. I am not a manager in any way shape or form, so how can you say what you said above is true.

Well apparently I cannot, and I retract my statement! It is interesting to me though, that these letters are so valuable. Although I suppose if you have worked with someone for an extended amount of time, and you yourself are well established in the field, your opinion would be valued.
 

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