Navigating To Another Star System

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and considerations involved in navigating a starship to another star system. It includes theoretical aspects of navigation, the dynamics of star movement, and the computational complexities associated with interstellar travel.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that as the distance to a star decreases, its position will change relative to other references, necessitating adjustments in navigation calculations.
  • Others argue that one cannot simply point at a star and thrust forward due to its relative motion, emphasizing the need for complex computations to intercept the star's future position.
  • It is suggested that distant pulsars could serve as reliable beacons for accurate interstellar navigation.
  • Some participants suspect that interplanetary navigation may be more complex than interstellar navigation due to gravitational influences being much smaller in interstellar space.
  • There is a viewpoint that the motion of stars can be treated as linear for navigation purposes, particularly over long distances, with minimal impact on course calculations.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of course corrections during the journey, as well as the complexities involved in entering orbit around the destination star.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of star movement and the complexities of navigation, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the dynamic nature of the reference system and the need for future position calculations add layers of complexity to navigation. The discussion also highlights the uncertainty surrounding the effects of gravitational influences and the assumptions made about linear motion.

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Navigating to another star system.
I assume that as the light years to another Star reduce the position of the Star will change relative to other references in the navigation calculations. So what adjustments would be necessary to a Starship's course as it gobbles up the distance to maintain pointing it's nose at the destination?

PS Google and YouTube seem to interpret 'Navigating to another Star' as "Navigating by the Stars" but then I'm not an expert Googler!
 
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You don't navigate to a star by pointing your nose at it and thrusting forward. This is because the star is almost certainly moving relative to you, and if you point your nose at its current position, it will move out of the way by the time you get there!

What you do is you compute the position of the star over time and then try to match up your own course to intercept it. This is a very, VERY complicated process. Even spacecraft moving between the planets in our own solar system require lots of computational work to get accurate course plots.

Ideally, you would compute the course, thrust to get your ship on that course, and then slow down once you reach your destination. However you're almost certainly going to need to do a few course corrections along the way since we don't live in a perfect world.

happyhacker said:
I assume that as the light years to another Star reduce the position of the Star will change relative to other references in the navigation calculations.
Not only that, but the references themselves will change as well. All the stars are moving, so your own reference system is dynamic, not static, which greatly complicated matters, as you have to compute the future positions of all of those stars as well as the destination star.
 
Distant pulsars are the reliable beacons upon which you can do accurate interstellar navigation.
 
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Drakkith said:
What you do is you compute the position of the star over time and then try to match up your own course to intercept it. This is a very, VERY complicated process. Even spacecraft moving between the planets in our own solar system require lots of computational work to get accurate course plots.
I suspect interplanetary navigation is much more complex than interstellar navigation.

The gravitational influences in interstellar space are orders of magnitude smaller. Possibly enough that you can virtually discount them and assume that stars are moving in simple linear motion wrt each other and the sun, and that your course will also be similarly straight.

That doesn't mean you don't have to account for the motion of the target star so that it's there when you arrive, but I think it means it can be treated as near linear motion.
 
DaveC426913 said:
The gravitational influences in interstellar space are orders of magnitude smaller. Possibly enough that you can virtually discount them and assume that stars are moving in simple linear motion wrt each other and the sun, and that your course will also be similarly straight.
Probably. Taking UY Scuti as an example, if we were to spend about 10,000 years in transit, the star would have moved by less than 1 lightyear, or less than 0.01% of the total distance traveled.
 
Drakkith said:
Probably. Taking UY Scuti as an example, if we were to spend about 10,000 years in transit, the star would have moved by less than 1 lightyear, or less than 0.01% of the total distance traveled.
Perhaps, Though the magnitude of the change is far less troublesome than the complexity of the change.
The movement of both UY Scuti and our spaceship is effectively linear. No orbital components to worry about.
 
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Drakkith said:
However you're almost certainly going to need to do a few course corrections along the way since we don't live in a perfect world.
It strikes me that the complexity would be all at the far end where you would want to get into a suitable orbit round the star in the presence of, perhaps a couple of large planets to help you into place. Your greatn grandchildren could be very impressed when it all works - or maybe not??
 
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