Necessary to remove an electron from the surface.

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The discussion revolves around the photoelectric effect, specifically the energy required to remove an electron from a metal surface when exposed to electromagnetic radiation. The original poster is attempting to calculate the work function, denoted as Φ, using kinetic energy and photon energy equations.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the kinetic energy of the emitted electron and the energy of the incident photon. There is confusion regarding the variables used in the equations, particularly the distinction between velocity and frequency.

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it known that photon of Electromagnetic radiation Cause to an electron emission from Metal surface.
the velocity of the electron is 3.6*10^3km/h

i Calculate the Wavelength of the electron with the formula [tex]\lambda[/tex]=h/m*v

it is written that when the frequency radiation are low than 2.5*10^16Hz so there are no any electron emission from the Metal surface.
now i asked to find how much energy are necessary to remove an electron from the surface.
so i need to use the formula 1/2me*v^2=hv-[tex]\Phi[/tex] all i need is to find [tex]\Phi[/tex] ?

thanks.
 
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omni said:
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so i need to use the formula 1/2me*v^2=hv-[tex]\Phi[/tex] all i need is to find [tex]\Phi[/tex] ?

thanks.
Hello Omni.

You are using the variable "v" in two different ways. The v on the left hand side is the velocity of the ejected electron. The v on the right, likely should be the Greek letter ν (nu), which is the frequency of the photon. ( You might rather use f for frequency)

c = λ ν, where c is the speed of light.
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yes that is correct.

"c = λ ν, where c is the speed of light." how this can help me here?
in this formula v is also mean nu (frequency )
but i need to find how much energy are necessary to remove an electron from the surface.

thank you.
 
You need the electron's Kinetic Energy to be greater than zero : KE > 0.

Use that with:

(1/2)meve2 = hf - Φ.

Find the frequency, f, then find λ .
 
thank you again.

so tell me if i correct:
1/2*(9.109*10^-31*(3.6*10^3)^2)=(6.626*10^-34*2.5*10^16)-[tex]\Phi[/tex]


till here i correct?

thank you.
 
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omni said:
thank you again.

so tell me if i correct:
1/2*(9.109*10^-31*(3.6*10^3)^2)=(6.626*10^-34*2.5*10^16)-[tex]\Phi[/tex]


till here i correct?

thank you.
It looks good to me.
 
hi.

ok so all i have to do now is to find [tex]\Phi[/tex] by doing hf-1/2me*V^2 and we know the value of each of this formulas as i showed before.

so i do like this: (6.626*10^-34*2.5*10^16)-(1/2*(9.109*10^-31*(3.6*10^3)^2))=[tex]\Phi[/tex]

hope you can understand something in this mess :smile:

really thanks for your help.
 

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