Necessity of God (Non-supernatural entities though)

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The discussion centers on the concept of a necessary entity, referred to as "god," which is defined as the "G-function" that brings the universe into existence. The original poster argues that since the universe exists, there must be something that fulfilled this G-function, although they do not imply the existence of a supernatural being. Critics challenge this reasoning, pointing out that it relies on circular logic and assumptions about the need for the universe to be created. The conversation also touches on the implications of infinite regress and the philosophical definitions of existence, suggesting that the term "god" may carry misleading connotations. Ultimately, the debate raises questions about causation, existence, and the appropriateness of the terminology used to describe these concepts.
  • #51
JoeDawg said:
Oh, you must be new here... Welcome to the Internets.

I think I logged into the wrong internet.
 
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  • #52
WaveJumper said:
I agreed with your statement that "Cruelty is relative. It is a concept that humans only have trouble applying to creatures that they can relate to". My example would show that monkeys(or most other animals) would not kill their own kind and killing animals for food is animallistic. Otherwise everyone knows we are not descended from apes but share a common ancestor.

BTW, the whole quote comes from Stephen Hawking, it reads:

We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special.”

Monkeys and apes do kill their own kind. Maybe it was a gorilla. It was one of those guys. He did something against the clan of monkeys, and they all went, pardon the pun, ape **** and beat the monkey to death. Boy they were screaming up a storm too!

Also, male lions eat baby cubs that aren't theirs. Your example is just flat out wrong.
 
  • #53
Cyrus said:
Somehow started out questioning God, then went into Bing Bang theory, then went into creating our own universes. Whats odd ball thing will be the next topic of divergence?
What do you mean by God? If you have a clear understanding and definition of what it is, we'd stay within it most of the time. As it currently stands, people have a trillion widely differing visions of what God might be. And we aren't even sure the purported creature exist at all, so "sideline theories" are guaranteed to arise from the obscurity of the concept of God. Given the broad scope of the concept implied, i'd stay we've stayed pretty much on topic so far :biggrin:.
 
  • #54
WaveJumper said:
What do you mean by God? If you have a clear understanding and definition of what it is, we'd stay within it most of the time. As it currently stands, people have a trillion widely differing visions of what God might be. And we aren't sure the purported creature exist at all, so "sideline theories" are guaranteed to arise from the obscurity of the concept of God. Given the broad scope of the concept implied, i'd stay we've stayed pretty much on topic so far :biggrin:.

A trillion, that's a lot of gods. There is one god and his name is Cyrus peace be upon him amen shalom.

But seriously, nah. This thread adds nothing new. Just sift through the, yes I said it, trillion, other threads created with the same, tired, played out arguments in them.

Probably 99.99% of this thread is junk.
 
  • #55
Cyrus said:
Also, male lions eat baby cubs that aren't theirs. Your example is just flat out wrong.


Humans also eat other humans. Sorry, you lose... :-p
 
  • #56
Cyrus said:
A trillion, that's a lot of gods. There is one god and his name is Cyrus peace be upon him amen shalom.

But seriously, nah. This thread adds nothing new. Just sift through the, yes I said it, trillion, other threads created with the same, tired, played out arguments in them.

Probably 99.99% of this thread is junk.

what new thing you suggest to be discussed here, or you wana god come to your door and introduce hisself to you!





forgive me
 
  • #57
Cyrus said:
Probably 99.99% of this thread is junk.

And we thank you for your contribution to the 99.99%
 
  • #58
JoeDawg said:
And we thank you for your contribution to the 99.99%

:smile:
 
  • #59
JoeDawg said:
And we thank you for your contribution to the 99.99%

I'm god, my contributions only make that number go down. See, it's already down to 95% from this post alone.
 
  • #60
Cyrus, if you are God, then how come I can do this? :biggrin:

<clink clink>
 
  • #61
Apparently Cyrus has been watching too much Wayne Dyer. :biggrin:
 

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