Necessity of theoretical physics and philosophy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the necessity and relevance of theoretical physics and philosophy, particularly in the context of their perceived lack of practical applications in the real world. Participants explore the implications of funding for projects like the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) versus investments in medicine and charity.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the value of studying theoretical physics, suggesting it has close to zero applications in real-world scenarios.
  • Others argue that the pursuit of knowledge in theoretical physics is valuable in its own right, regardless of immediate applications.
  • A participant challenges the notion that theoretical physics lacks relevance, citing potential future benefits and historical examples of unforeseen applications from past theories.
  • Concerns are raised about the allocation of funding, with some participants suggesting that money spent on fundamental physics could be better used for pressing issues like medicine and charity.
  • Counterarguments highlight that funding for fundamental physics is relatively small compared to that for biomedical research, suggesting a need for balance in funding priorities.
  • Some participants assert that advances in engineering and technology can arise from theoretical physics, even if they are not immediately apparent.
  • A participant draws parallels between the value of physics and the arts, arguing that both contribute to cultural achievements and the broader human experience.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the necessity or relevance of theoretical physics. Some advocate for its intrinsic value, while others emphasize the need for practical applications and funding considerations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express differing opinions on the relevance of theoretical physics, the implications of funding decisions, and the potential for unforeseen applications, indicating a complex interplay of perspectives without resolution.

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hi to all

i read stuff on theoretical physics especially GUT's and also read littlephilosophy but i keep wondering why is it that people even study these things when we all know that they will have close to zero applications in the real world. also money is spent on all these things like the LHC for particle physics. why can't we use this money for things like medecine and charity.

just wanted to see your thoughts on this subject
 
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Vals509 said:
i read stuff on theoretical physics especially GUT's and also read littlephilosophy but i keep wondering why is it that people even study these things when we all know that they will have close to zero applications in the real world.

How do we "all know this"? Do you have a crystal ball that you're staring into?
 
People aren't necessarily studying it because it has applications. Some of them study this subject because its there. Its not up to you to decide what we should study. And physics has no applications? Google "physics" please.
 
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for the record all i mean is that just because we find out a GUT will it help the world in a major way. will it cure cancer for instance or have a big advance in engineering. take the LHC for instance. 6 billion has been spent on it just to see what atoms are made of. do you think that that will have a major impact on the world. will it cure the darfur crisis.
think about it....

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please read properly what i wrote on top and you will not 'physics' but theoretical physics'. google that and see what applications you get. and if at all you get any, well they too will be irrelevant. and nothing was said about controlling what people study. only relevance
 
Please go and find out how much funding is already given to "finding a cure for cancer", compare that to the funding for fundamental physics which you are griping about. I think you'll find that it is just a drop in the bucket in comparison.
 
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will it cure cancer for instance

I don't know.. do you? Ultimately, we do science for the benefit of knowledge, and understanding the world in which we live. In my opinion, it's rather short sighted of the human race to demand immediate practical applications of the theories we are testing. Why not think of the bigger picture: who knows what developments will be made possible in the future by our greater understanding of the physical laws of the universe?

Anyway, if you're interested in potential medical benefits, read this article, for instance: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080912-lhc-practical_2.html

or have a big advance in engineering.

Well that's just plain wrong. Surely building the biggest particle collider yet is, by definition, an advance in engineering?
 
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Vals509 said:
hi to all

i read stuff on theoretical physics especially GUT's and also read littlephilosophy but i keep wondering why is it that people even study these things when we all know that they will have close to zero applications in the real world. also money is spent on all these things like the LHC for particle physics. why can't we use this money for things like medecine and charity.

just wanted to see your thoughts on this subject

When you have to get a proton therapy, or use some medicine that benefited from the studies done in biochemistry using a synchrotron light source, then maybe you might want to rethink about "zero applications" of particle physics and the likes.

http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/cms/?pid=1000667

Think of how primitive your life would be if people at the turn of the 20th century actually thought that way when QM and SR were about to be formulated. Do you think they could have foreseen all the applications from these two seemingly esoteric physics at that time?

And oh, since you're complaining about "money spent", you might want to do a bit of a homework on the amount of money spent for bio-medicine within the past 10 years, and then compared that not only to money spent for high energy physics, but also for physical sciences in general. Try to argue why you want to remove the PUNY amount for physical sciences, when compared to the humongous funding of the NIH.

Zz.
 
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I need an animated gif of a messerschmitt being shot down by AA. brrrrrrrr... tak tak tak tak tak, pogh wheeeeeerrrrrrrrr... crash. for all those guys that think pf is a good place to question why physicists do what they do. right now I'll settle for :biggrin:
 
Why do so many people devote their lives to art and such things like broad way musicals? There is absolutely ZERO implication and all these artsy fartsy things won't help anyone. "YES, let's make a giant finger painting, that will stop the war!", no it wont. Even if physics didn't lead to significant scientific advancements in medicine and technology at least it is a major cultural achievements that I believe defines the success of the human race.
 

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