How are physics theories discovered?

In summary: Sometimes the new theory is discovered before the new evidence... In the case of the Higgs Boson... the theory came before the evidence.
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I often read about how famous theoretical physicists have made ground-breaking contributions to physics, but I always end up wondering how they are able to "discover" something that they have never seen or experienced. I believe that it has to do with the application of mathematical theories to a physical context, but I fail to imagine how that could be done. Do they just "fiddle around" with different types of math until they find one that works? And if so, how do they go about discovering the exact equations using that math and also proving that the resulting theory and equations are right? Please go in as much detail as possible.
 
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Do they just "fiddle around" with different types of math until they find one that works?
Yes, a new physical theory is an educated guess.

After the educated guess there is a bunch of mathematical work in figuring out the logical consequences of the guess. Then there is a bunch of work figuring out the experimental predictions for existing experiments. Then there is a bunch of work figuring out the predictions in new experiments.
 
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... but I always end up wondering how they are able to "discover" something that they have never seen or experienced. I believe that it has to do with the application of mathematical theories to a physical context, but I fail to imagine how that could be done. Do they just "fiddle around" with different types of math until ...
Usually, sometimes, it starts with an "epiphany", a breaking scientific revealation or idea ... that makes the difference! ...
But before [...] and after that ... {details later, due to "time zones" ...}
 
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It should be mentioned though that the epiphany or the educated guess, happens to the discoverer because s\he was immersed in the problem for a considerable amount of time and has tried many different things and has looked at the problem from many different angles. Its not like thinking about it for some hours and bang!
 
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It should be mentioned though that the epiphany or the educated guess, happens to the discoverer because s\he was immersed in the problem for a considerable amount of time and has tried many different things and has looked at the problem from many different angles. Its not like thinking about it for some hours and bang!
That would be included and covered in my
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above, later in detail.

But in some cases (how rare?) there can be a flash! (bang!) ...
 
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I often read about how famous theoretical physicists have made ground-breaking contributions to physics, but I always end up wondering how they are able to "discover" something that they have never seen or experienced. I believe that it has to do with the application of mathematical theories to a physical context, but I fail to imagine how that could be done. Do they just "fiddle around" with different types of math until they find one that works? And if so, how do they go about discovering the exact equations using that math and also proving that the resulting theory and equations are right? Please go in as much detail as possible.

http://www.cornell.edu/video/richard-feynman-messenger-lecture-7-seeking-new-laws
 
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We should point out that one-size-fits-all does not fully answer your question.

@Dale told you of the case where problem comes first, then theory, then experimentation. There are other cases where things happen in the opposite order.

Quantum Mechanics is a very good example. Science had a wealth of experimental data that did not fit existing theories. Scientists cleverly guessed at a mathematical model that proved to explain past experiments and which allowed further predictions to be verified by later experiments.

Astronomy is another such case. In history, astronomers were surprised many times by unexpected things seen in space. They had to invent theories to match the observations.

So I think that the broad answer to the OP question is that theories come about every which way.
 
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It should also be mentioned that a lot of theories (in fact, I will go out on the limb and claim that the MAJORITY of new theories) came out of experimental observations or discoveries. This is especially true for the "Who Ordered That?"-type of discoveries.

There were no hints of the existence of superconductivity prior to its discovery. Fractional quantum Hall effect and fractional charges came out of nowhere. Rutherford's experiments were all "Who Ordered That?" results. anorlunda mentioned the discoveries from astronomy/astrophysics, many of which fall under this category as well.

So there are definitely evidence that the impetus for many theories came out of experimental observations and discoveries. And certainly such empirical measurements continue to be necessary in the development of theoretical ideas. The Standard Model, for example, continues to evolve with each new experiment and result that we acquire.

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Usually discoveries start with an observation or question... Why do apples fall from trees or how did the sun bend the path of a comet? ...Then you (or Newton) think up possible explanations and apply or test them by performing experiments or making predictions. Astronomers observed irregularities in the paths of Mercury and Uranus that could not be explained using Newton's laws. So they formed a new theory... either Newton was wrong or there were other planets out there. They predicted the existence of Neptune before it was discovered. However no such planet was discovered to explain the orbit of Mercury. It wasn't until Einstein came along that we were able to prove Newton's laws weren't the whole story.
 

FAQ: How are physics theories discovered?

1. How do scientists come up with new physics theories?

Scientists come up with new physics theories through a combination of observation, experimentation, and mathematical modeling. They observe natural phenomena, conduct experiments to test their hypotheses, and use mathematical equations and models to explain and predict the behavior of these phenomena.

2. What role do experiments play in discovering physics theories?

Experiments play a crucial role in discovering physics theories. They allow scientists to test their hypotheses and make observations of natural phenomena in controlled environments. This helps to validate or refute existing theories and can lead to the discovery of new ones.

3. How are physics theories tested?

Physics theories are tested through experimentation, observation, and peer review. Scientists design experiments to test specific hypotheses and gather data to support or reject the theory. Other scientists review and replicate the experiments to ensure the validity of the results.

4. What happens when a physics theory is proven wrong?

When a physics theory is proven wrong, scientists will revise or replace it with a new theory that better explains the observed phenomena. This process of revising and refining theories is a crucial part of the scientific method and leads to a deeper understanding of the natural world.

5. Are all physics theories universally accepted?

No, not all physics theories are universally accepted. Some theories may be widely accepted by the scientific community, while others may still be debated and tested. As new evidence and technologies emerge, theories may also be revised or replaced. It is important for scientists to constantly evaluate and challenge theories to ensure the most accurate understanding of the physical world.

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