Need a Few Hints for Substitution

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The discussion revolves around the topic of substitution in calculus, specifically focusing on integrals and the selection of appropriate substitution variables.

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  • Participants discuss strategies for selecting substitution variables, including taking derivatives of potential u expressions. There is mention of different integrals and the need for various approaches, such as trigonometric substitution.

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Several participants have offered hints and suggestions regarding the selection of u variables for different integrals. There is an ongoing exploration of which substitutions simplify the integrals effectively, with some participants questioning the correctness of derivatives and suggesting alternative expressions.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework assignments, which may limit the information available for discussion. There is a focus on understanding the reasoning behind choosing specific substitutions rather than providing direct solutions.

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I've been doing Calculus examples using substitution recently, and some are very easy to spot when to make what u, but sometimes it's not that easy. I'm having trouble determining which equations I should make as u, and which ones I shouldn't.

I would greatly appreciate it if I could be given some hints for these problems!

Thanks in advance!
 

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Well, a thing I always try is to pick a part of the integral, take the derivative of that and see if that will help me simply.

So for the first one I would look at the derivative of:
u = x
u = ln(2x)

Take derivatives of both of those and see if using one of them you can simplify the integral (hint - one of them simplifies it and the other doesnt!)
The second one is a little trickier: probably have to use a trig substitution

The third one: can you do this integral:
\int \frac{4dt}{t^{7}}

Fourth: similar in idea of picking a good u as the third problem. Look at that one first and see if you can come up with anything (hint, look at the exponents of the e's)
 
iamalexalright said:
Well, a thing I always try is to pick a part of the integral, take the derivative of that and see if that will help me simply.

So for the first one I would look at the derivative of:
u = x
u = ln(2x)

Take derivatives of both of those and see if using one of them you can simplify the integral (hint - one of them simplifies it and the other doesnt!)



The second one is a little trickier: probably have to use a trig substitution

The third one: can you do this integral:
\int \frac{4dt}{t^{7}}

Fourth: similar in idea of picking a good u as the third problem. Look at that one first and see if you can come up with anything (hint, look at the exponents of the e's)

Thanks! Gonna jump into these questions right now!
 
iamalexalright said:
Well, a thing I always try is to pick a part of the integral, take the derivative of that and see if that will help me simply.

So for the first one I would look at the derivative of:
u = x
u = ln(2x)

Does this look okay?
 

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That's a good start. But if u=log(2x), du isn't quite dx/(2x). Can you try that one again. Use the chain rule.
 
Or use the fact that ln(2x)= ln(x)+ ln(2).
 
Okay, thanks for all the input. Will try them again tomorrow morning. Need to get some rest! I'm sure I will dream about cal tonight...
 

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