Need explanation on Chracteristic Length in heat convection

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of characteristic length in the context of natural convection from a hollow cylindrical object, specifically a thermal circuit involving a vertical hot plate shaped like a DVD. Participants seek clarification on how to define the characteristic length for calculating the Grashoff number and the convection coefficient.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether to use the outer diameter (OD), inner diameter (ID), or the average of both as the characteristic length for their thermal circuit.
  • Another participant requests a sketch to better understand the problem setup.
  • A different participant describes their scenario involving a hollow, isothermal cylinder and seeks to calculate the convection coefficient, emphasizing the need for the characteristic length.
  • One response suggests using the largest length scale of the fluid for the characteristic length, depending on the heat source's location, and mentions the possibility of nondimensionalizing governing equations to determine the proper length.
  • Another participant points out that the cylinder itself is the heat source due to copper losses in a cylindrical winding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to define the characteristic length, with no consensus reached on the appropriate choice. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to determine the characteristic length in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the assumptions regarding the heat source's location or the flow characteristics, which may influence the choice of characteristic length. There is also a lack of clarity on the governing equations relevant to the problem.

thiru muruga
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Hi,

I am working on constructing a thermal circuit where I am using the concept of natural convection from a vertical hot plate in the shape of a DVD. In order to calculate the Grashoff number, I have to use the characteristic length. What should I take as my characteristic length? The disc OD or ID or average of OD and ID?

Could you also explain the concept behind characteristic length?
 
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Can you upload a sketch of the problem?
 
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The cylinder is hollow and isothermal. I need to calculate convection coefficient for the heat transfer taking place from the two ends of the cylinder to ambient when the cylinder is placed horizontally. I assume that the ends are similar to circular disc (like a DVD) and need to calculate the Grashoff no. for which I need to know what is the characteristic length.
 
What/where is the heat source? For charictaristic length I would use the largest length scale of the fluid, which would correspond to the largest vortex in the flow. If the heat source was inside the cylinder, for example, then it would be best to use the ID. If it was from outside, then I'd say either the OD or length depending on the direction of the flow. You can always write down the governing equations (mass, momentum, energy) and nondimensionalize yourself to determine the proper length.
 
See the energy equation of Navier Stokes using temperature, not enthalpy
 
The cylinder itself is the source, cause I m trying to model a copper winding here which is cylinderical. The source is heat generated due to copper loss.
 

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