Need Help- Finding the tension and Force wind using Newton's laws

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a spider hanging from a thread, influenced by wind at an angle from the vertical. The participants are exploring the application of Newton's laws to determine the tension in the thread and the force of the wind acting on the spider.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the gravitational force and the forces acting on the spider using equilibrium equations. Some participants question the necessity of converting angles and the correctness of the force net equation presented.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, providing feedback on the approach taken. There is a focus on clarifying the use of angles in the free body diagram and ensuring the correct application of vector components in the equations.

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There is mention of the original poster's uncertainty regarding the handling of angles in the problem setup, indicating a potential gap in understanding geometric relationships in physics.

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Homework Statement


A 1.20 g spider hangs on its thread from the branch of a tree. A horizontal win blows the spider and the tread to an angle of 35 deg from the vertical. Find the force of win on the sider and the tension in the tread.

Diagram:
http://s1176.beta.photobucket.com/user/LolaGoesLala/media/g.jpg.html


Homework Equations


Fnet= Fg + Fw + Tcosθ + Tsinθ


The Attempt at a Solution



Fg = mg
Fg= (0.0012 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)
Fg= 0.01176 N

Fnet = 0.01176 N + Fw + Tcos55° + Tsin55°
I got the 55° by subtracting the 35° from 90°

Vertical equilibrium:
0.01176 N = Tsin55°
0.014356 N = T

Horizontal equilibrium:
Tcos55°=Fw
(0.014356 N)(cos55°)=Fw
0.00823 N = Fw
 
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Hi Lolagoeslala! :smile:

Yes, that looks ok.

Two points …

i] why did you convert from 35° to 55°? it's correct, but it's unnecessary, and it gives you an extra chance to make a mistake!

ii] your line "Fnet= Fg + Fw + Tcosθ + Tsinθ" is simply wrong
(but it didn't matter, because your component equations were correct, so you didn't need that line)
… you can't add components in different directions!

correct would be "Fnet = Fg + Fw + T"

or "Fnet = Fg + Fw + (Tcosθ,Tsinθ)" :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Lolagoeslala! :smile:

Yes, that looks ok.

Two points …

i] why did you convert from 35° to 55°? it's correct, but it's unnecessary, and it gives you an extra chance to make a mistake!

ii] your line "Fnet= Fg + Fw + Tcosθ + Tsinθ" is simply wrong
(but it didn't matter, because your component equations were correct, so you didn't need that line)
… you can't add components in different directions!

correct would be "Fnet = Fg + Fw + T"

or "Fnet = Fg + Fw + (Tcosθ,Tsinθ)" :wink:

Oh akay by the way for your first point how you are like why did you convert to 55° from 35°
is because when i was making the FBD... i needed the angle of the horizontal. But how would you take the 35° and work with that... i have not learned how to work with angles that are like on the opposite sides.
 
Lolagoeslala said:
But how would you take the 35° and work with that... i have not learned how to work with angles that are like on the opposite sides.

ah, this is elementary Euclidean geometry …

if you have a letter "N", the two angles are equal (i think they're called "alternate angles") …

so the "downward" angle (35°) between the thread and the vertical wall is the same as the "upward" angle between the thread and the imaginary vertical through the spider :wink:

(the thread corresponds to the diagonal of the "N")
 
tiny-tim said:
ah, this is elementary Euclidean geometry …

if you have a letter "N", the two angles are equal (i think they're called "alternate angles") …

so the "downward" angle (35°) between the thread and the vertical wall is the same as the "upward" angle between the thread and the imaginary vertical through the spider :wink:

(the thread corresponds to the diagonal of the "N")

Oh i know that LOLLL :D
Thanks for reviewing my memory :D thanks for checking by the way :D
 

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