Need help understanding organic copolymers in OPV devices

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The discussion revolves around the understanding of organic copolymers in organic photovoltaic (OPV) devices, focusing on their absorption properties and the implications of conjugation length on photon energy absorption. Participants explore theoretical concepts and experimental observations related to these materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that longer conjugation lengths in polymers are typically associated with lower energy photon absorption, but their experimental data shows a contrary trend with copolymers containing anthracene, naphthalene, and phenylene.
  • Another participant suggests that the polymer chain may function as an optical antenna, where the resonance wavelength relates to chain length and absorption efficiency is influenced by losses.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty regarding the absorption of photons with energy above the energy barrier between HOMO and LUMO, questioning whether excess energy is wasted or if only photons with exact energy can be absorbed.
  • Further discussion indicates that molecular curvature might affect absorption trends, as one participant revisits their data in light of this consideration.
  • Another participant elaborates on the antenna formalism, discussing the potential for branched organic molecules to act as energy harvesting antennas, channeling absorbed energy effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between conjugation length and absorption properties, with no consensus reached on the implications of photon energy absorption relative to the energy barrier.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of molecular structures and their effects on absorption, highlighting potential limitations in their understanding of the underlying processes.

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Hi, I've been reading PF threads for a long time but never really had a question to ask.. until recently.

I am doing some of my own studies on OPV devices (i'm still a high school student, so I have no prior research experience of in-depth knowledge on processes that take place at the atomic level during the operation of the device). i have been studying organic copolymers for use in OPV devices now, and just need to clarify a few questions hanging about my mind..

1) i understand that the longer the conjugation length in a polymer, the lower the energy of the photon it is able to absorb (the higher the wavelength of light it is able to absorb). however, i have gotten some experimental data that seems to prove otherwise.. i have copolymer units with anthracene, naphthalene and phenylene (lets call them A, N and P respectively). my data shows that the maximum absorption decreases from P->N->A. i don't get it - isn't the trend supposed to be the other way round (ie, maximum absorption increases from P->N->A)?

2) i always read about the absorption of photon energy, and that as long as the photon has enough energy to overcome the energy barrier between the HOMO and LUMO energies, the substance will be able to absorb the light. what does this mean? does it mean that photons with energy ABOVE the barrier will also be absorbed, just that the excess energy will be "wasted" (returned back to surroundings thru other processes like releasing heat)? or does it mean that only photons with the EXACT energy as the energy barrier can be absorbed?

all help is appreciated :)
 
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Just an idea: The polymer chain with conjugated bonds may act as an optical antenna and therefore resonance wavelength is comparable to chain length. Absorption has to do with antenna efficiency (losses).
 
Thank you so much! I went to check up a little on what you said and checked my stuff again.. It does indeed seem like there is some curvature happening in the molecule so that's highly likely the reason why the trend is not as expected.

Thanks!

I still don't know the second question tho hehe. It's not really smth I don't know. I have always thot of photon absorption as any photon w energy content above the energy barrier can be absorbed, but there are many things proving my way of thinking wrong, so I just want to check from others.
 
Of course the polymer chains are not straight but I am pretty sure the antenna formalism still could be applied in your case. I have read quite a few articles about development of branched organic molecules for use as energy harvesting antennas. The idea is that a molecule with a large absorption cross section can be designed to collect light energy from a large area and from all directions and channel that energy to a point of interest along the chains containing the conjugated bonds as if they were metal cables. The energy could be re-emited as light (i.e fluorescence) or converted into electrical current. Absorption by itself is equivalent to loss, fluorescence (or electrical current) is gain.
 

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