Need Help with a Basic Fluids Problem - Buoyancy and Archimedes' principle

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The problem involves buoyancy and Archimedes' principle, focusing on a submarine's mass and volume distribution when floating on the surface versus submerged. The original poster attempts to determine the fraction of the submarine's volume that remains above water when the ballast tanks are filled with air.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the submarine's weight, the buoyant force, and the volume of water displaced. The original poster expresses confusion about their calculations and the concept of "dead weight." Others suggest rethinking the problem in terms of total buoyant force and the implications of the submarine's total volume.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of buoyancy and weight distribution. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between buoyant force and the submarine's weight, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the mass of air in the ballast tanks can be neglected, and they are using specific gravity for seawater in their calculations. There is some uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of terms like "dead weight."

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Good afternoon, I am having some trouble solving this basic fluids problem, and I am hoping you can look over my work, and offer some assistance.

Homework Statement



A submarine has a total mass of 2.1 multiplied by 10^6 kg, including crew and equipment. The vessel consists of two parts, the pressure hull, which has a volume of 2 multiplied by 10^3 m^3, and the ballast tanks, which have a volume of 6 multiplied by 10^2 m^3. When the sub cruises on the surface, the ballast tanks are filled with air. When cruising below the surface, seawater is admitted into the tanks. (Neglect the mass of air in the tanks and use 1.025 as the specific gravity of seawater.)

What fraction of the submarine's volume is above the water surface when the tanks are filled with air? (%)

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The Attempt at a Solution



First I set the right hand side of the equation to 1, since the apparent weight will be zero because the submarine is floating on the surface and their will be no experienced force.

Therefore I have

p(sub) = p(sea water)

m(sub) / Volume (sub) = density of water

m(sub) / density of water = Volume of Sub Submerged in Water.

or

Volume Sub Submerged in water (m^3) = 2.1*10^9 g / (1.025*(1000*1000*1000) g/m^3)

But I get a Volume of 2.04 m^3,

or ~1% of the sub is submerged and ~99% of the sub is above water.

This answer is incorrect, and is intuitively wrong as I don't think a 200,000 kg 2m^3 block would float.

Thanks in advance for your help
 
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Welcome to PF.

I would think about it slightly differently.

Your submarine has a total volume and the weight of the water it displaces is your buoyant force available.

Subtracting your dead weight then yields the amount of water that the submarine would need to submerge.

When completely filled with air then dead weight/total water weight displaced is your % of volume below the waterline then isn't it?
 
Thanks for the reply, unfortunately I am having a bit of trouble following you.

Here is how I am interpreting your strategy: I should find the total buoyant force when the sub is filled with enough water such that the sub's gravitational force is canceled out by the buoyant force.

I use the weight of water to find the dead weight (what do you mean by dead weight)?

Then I divide the dead-weight by the weight of the total displaced water?

Thanks again!
 
Jite said:
Thanks for the reply, unfortunately I am having a bit of trouble following you.

Here is how I am interpreting your strategy: I should find the total buoyant force when the sub is filled with enough water such that the sub's gravitational force is canceled out by the buoyant force.

I use the weight of water to find the dead weight (what do you mean by dead weight)?

Then I divide the dead-weight by the weight of the total displaced water?

Thanks again!

Not exactly ... I think.

Isn't the total volume times the density of sea water going to be equal to the amount of force available ... regardless of what weight may be inside?
If it's 0 weight inside then isn't the whole thing going to be floating? If the weight inside is say 2/3 then won't 2/3's be submerged and 1/3 out?

Given that thought, then what is your total volume? 2000 of the Pressurized Hull and 600 in the ballast tanks? = 2600 m3 ?

Isn't that volume times the sea water weight going to be it's total possible buoyant force? And you are only using just the carry weight when air is in the ballast?
 

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