Need help with proof of sets of integers

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The discussion revolves around a proof related to the set of positive integers, specifically addressing the conditions under which the sum of two distinct elements from a subset of positive integers results in an even number. The original poster seeks assistance in developing a proof for the claim that within any subset of three or more positive integers, there exist distinct elements whose sum is even.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore proof strategies, including proof by contradiction and case analysis based on the parity of the integers in the subset. The original poster expresses confusion about how to initiate the proof and questions the strength of their reasoning.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of different proof techniques, with some participants suggesting the breakdown of cases based on the parity of the integers. The original poster is refining their approach and seeking feedback on the clarity and sufficiency of their arguments.

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The problem is constrained by the requirement that the subset must contain at least three distinct positive integers, which influences the reasoning about their sums.

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1.From the problem statement
Let Z+ be the set of all positive integers; that is,
Z+ = {1,2,3,...}
Define Z+ x Z+ = {(a1, a2) : a1 is an element of Z+ and a2 is an element of Z+ }




2. If S is contained in Z+ and |S| >=3, prove that there exist distinct x,y that are elements of S such that x+y is even.



3. I need some help on where to start as I'm quite lost.
I can see how this would be true. for example the set S = {1,2,3,4}
The pairs (1,3) and (2,4) both satisfy the condition of x+y being even.


the are extensions of this homework problem as well, but I'm having trouble with the first bit...
 
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Try proof by contradiction:

Assume that there are no elements x,y in S such that x+y is even and see where that leads you.

You may want to note that since S has to contain 3 or more elements these can be all odd, all even or a combination. If they are all odd then adding two of them gives an even. if they are all even then adding any two gives an even and if it's a combination then once again combining two of them gives an even integer.
 
how does this sound?
there is a set S with three elements that are integers. Assume that any two of these elements are added together and always produce an odd value. (ie x1+x2 or x1+x3 or x2+x3 is always odd).

assuming that all three elements of S have even values, take the sum of any two of these elements.
k is even which makes k+2 even.
k+k+2 = 2k+2. This value is even
k+2 is even which makes k+2+2 even also.

k+2+(k+2+2) = 2k+6. This value is even.

assuming that all three elements of S have odd values, take the sum of any two of these elements.
k is odd which makes k+2 odd.
k+k+2 = 2k+2. This value is even
k+2 is even which makes k+2+2 even also.

k+2+(k+2+2) = 2k+6. This value is even.

next assume that the set of S has elements some of which are even and some of which are odd.
if two of the values are even, sum those two values. the result will be an even number.
if two of the values are odd, sum those two values. the result will be an even number.

Therefore, the original assumption that any two elements of S that are summed will produce an odd value is false.

how is that?
the third criteria seems weak.
 
You didn't actually use your assumption that "any two of these elements are added together and always produce an odd value" so you might as well drop that: what you did was break the situation into cases: three members odd, three members even, 2 even and 1 odd, 1 even and 2 odd.
 
ok
so it's not really a proof by contradiction then.
is it still sufficient though?
I still feel like the wording could be better.
 

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