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The discussion revolves around solving equations involving square roots, specifically focusing on the methods for manipulating square roots and the implications of squaring both sides of an equation. Participants seek to understand the rules and theories related to square roots in mathematical equations.

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  • One participant requests a step-by-step method for solving equations involving square roots, indicating a need for guidance on the topic.
  • Another participant emphasizes that forum rules prevent providing full solutions and suggests starting by squaring both sides of the equation.
  • A participant expresses that they have solved the initial problem but seeks clarification on the theory behind canceling square roots.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of squaring and square roots, with one participant noting that squaring an equation can introduce extraneous solutions that must be checked against the original equation.
  • Another participant elaborates on the concept of the principal branch of the square root function, explaining that the square root is typically defined to yield a positive result, and discusses the implications of treating square roots as multivalued functions.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the topic, with some agreeing on the need to check solutions after squaring, while others introduce different perspectives on the nature of square roots and their values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to explaining and teaching the manipulation of square roots.

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Participants mention the importance of understanding the principal branch of square roots and the potential for confusion when considering multivalued functions. There is also an acknowledgment of the limitations in providing complete solutions within the forum's guidelines.

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Hi,

I need help with an explanation of how to deal with squareroots when solving equations.
E.g. Look at the uploaded bmp.file and solve for x. Please I would like to have a full step by step method on how to deal with this type of equations in general. Thank you
 

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krislemon said:
Hi,

I need help with an explanation of how to deal with squareroots when solving equations.
E.g. Look at the uploaded bmp.file and solve for x. Please I would like to have a full step by step method on how to deal with this type of equations in general. Thank you

Sorry but it's forum rules that we can't just give you a full step by step solution. You need to show you've put some effort into the problem yourself.

Start by squaring both sides, then show us what you've done.
 
ok.
I managed to solve the problem so I will just ask about the squareroot.
Where can I find the theory/rule of canceling squareroot? e.g. (squareroot of x)^2.
 
krislemon said:
Where can I find the theory/rule of canceling squareroot? e.g. (squareroot of x)^2.

I'm not sure what you're asking exactly. The theory of cancelling the square root? Squaring is the inverse of the square root (cancelling the square root) as you've shown.

If you want to read a bit more on square roots, maybe try wikipedia? Or you'll need to be more specific.
 
When solving problems of this kind, one can square both sides and manipulate until no square roots remain. But when squaring, the implication goes only forward. Therefore, one must check all solutions one finds by inserting them into the original equation.

For example, squaring the equation ##\sqrt x =-1## gives ##x=1##. The first equation can therefore have no solution other than ##x=1##. But if we insert this in the first eqaution, we obtain ##\sqrt 1=-1##, which is false. Therefore, ##x=1## is not a solution either, so the first equation has no solutions.
 
Erland said:
When solving problems of this kind, one can square both sides and manipulate until no square roots remain. But when squaring, the implication goes only forward. Therefore, one must check all solutions one finds by inserting them into the original equation.

For example, squaring the equation ##\sqrt x =-1## gives ##x=1##. The first equation can therefore have no solution other than ##x=1##. But if we insert this in the first eqaution, we obtain ##\sqrt 1=-1##, which is false. Therefore, ##x=1## is not a solution either, so the first equation has no solutions.

I hope you took the square root function in the sense of the principal branch, for if you did not, we have that [itex]\sqrt{}[/itex] is a multivalued function, having precisely two values for every real number other than 0, and it is one-valued for 0. Taking the square root as multivalued yields [itex]-1\in \sqrt{1}[/itex], which is true, for [itex](-1)^2=1[/itex]. However, the square root in the principal branch is defined as the positive answer to the multivalued square root, making it one-valued. In general, [itex]\sqrt[n]{}[/itex] is a multivalued function, having n values for all complex numbers and 1 for 0. For example, the real number 2 has three cube roots: [itex]\sqrt[3]{2}[/itex] which is the positive root, and two complex roots: [itex]\displaystyle -\frac{\sqrt[3]{2}}{2}+\frac{\sqrt[3]{2}\sqrt{3}}{2}i[/itex] and [itex]\displaystyle -\frac{\sqrt[3]{2}}{2}-\frac{\sqrt[3]{2}\sqrt{3}}{2}i[/itex]. We avoid this problem by defining the result of a rooting operation to satisfy these if x is real:

[itex]\sqrt[n]{x}[/itex]'s principal branch value is defined so as to be the unique real number a satisfying [itex]a\in\sqrt[n_m]{x}[/itex] and [itex]a\geq 0[/itex], where [itex]\sqrt[n_m]{}[/itex] denotes the multivalued version of the nth root.

I just wanted to point that out to avoid confusion.
 
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