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The problem involves two identical snooker balls on a table, where one ball is projected towards a side, rebounds, and subsequently hits the other ball. The discussion focuses on the angles of incidence and reflection, the coefficient of restitution, and the velocities involved in the impacts.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the angles and the coefficient of restitution, exploring how to derive the tangent of the angles involved. They also consider the components of velocity before and after the impact.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and reasoning. Some have provided insights on how to relate the angles and velocities, while others are questioning how to derive specific relationships, such as the tangent values.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the coefficient of restitution applying only to the perpendicular component of velocity, and participants are considering the implications of this on their calculations. The problem setup includes specific constraints regarding the geometry of the table and the motion of the balls.

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Homework Statement


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Two identical snooker balls are at rest at the point A and B of a snooker table, where AB+1m. The liunes AB is aparallel to a smooth side of the table and at a distance of 0.4m from that side. The ball A is projected along the table with a speed of [itex]2ms^{-1}[/itex] to hit the side of the table at C. It rebounds and subsequently hits the ball at B. The angles that AC and CB make with the table are [itex]\alpha[/itex] and [itex]\beta[/itex] respectively (see diagram). The coefficient of resititution between the side and a ball is [itex]\frac{1}{4}[/itex]. Resistances may be ignored and the balls may be considered as particles.

(i)Show that [itex]cot\alpha + cot\beta=2.5[/itex] and [itex]tan\alpha=2[/itex]
(ii) Show that the direction of motion of the ball turns through 90 degrees on impact at C
(iii) find the speed of the ball after impact at C.


Homework Equations



[itex]e=\frac{\delta v}{\delta u}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Well here is my work...in pictures because, typing it up would have taken a long time.

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Strangely enough,I had a hard time looking for ways to show that tan[itex]\alpha[/itex]=2
 
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rock.freak667 said:
Strangely enough,I had a hard time looking for ways to show that tan[itex]\alpha[/itex]=2
One thing that will help with both showing that [itex]\tan\alpha = 2[/itex] and finding the speed after impact is realizing that the coefficient of restitution only applies to the component of velocity perpendicular to the surface.
 
So the perpendicular comp. of the velocity before impact is [itex]2sin\alpha[/itex]

and the perpendicular comp. of velocity after is vsin[itex]\beta[/itex]

and

[tex]\frac{1}{4}=\frac{vsin\beta}{2sin\alpha}[/tex]


But where would I get the tan from?
 
rock.freak667 said:
But where would I get the tan from?
Use both the horizontal and vertical components.
 
Doc Al said:
Use both the horizontal and vertical components.

[itex]2cos\alpha[/itex] and [itex]vcos\alpha[/itex], both point in the same direction.

So 2cos[itex]\alpha[/itex]=vcos[itex]\beta[/itex] because the horizontal velocity should stay the same?
 
Yes. Now relate the tangents by dividing the vertical and horizontal components.
 
ah thanks, got it there.
 

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