Need help with reversal of a calculation involving gravitational constant.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the process of reversing the formula for escape velocity to isolate the gravitational constant (G). Participants explore the mathematical steps involved in manipulating the equation Ve = sqrt{2GM/r} to express G in terms of known variables Ve, M, and r.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Edwin seeks to reverse engineer the formula for escape velocity to find G, given Ve, M, and r.
  • Mark suggests squaring both sides of the equation as a first step in the manipulation process.
  • Edwin expresses confusion about how squaring the equation aids in isolating G.
  • Another participant indicates that after squaring, multiplying by r can help eliminate the fraction in the equation.
  • Edwin ultimately arrives at the expression G = (Ve^2)/2M, but later corrects this to G = (rVe^2)/2M.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the clarity of the mathematical steps, as Edwin expresses uncertainty throughout the discussion. However, participants agree on the final form of the equation for G.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the initial confusion regarding the mathematical manipulation steps, and there are indications of varying levels of mathematical proficiency among them.

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Hi.

I would like to know if it is possible to "reverse engineer" the formula below to find (G) if Ve, M and r are all known values.

Ve = sqrt{2GM/r}

Ve would be escape velocity, G would be gravitational constant, M would be mass of planet and r would be radius of planet.

I hope I am explaining myself correctly here.

In other words how would I go about reversing the formula Ve = sqrt(2GM/r) so that is begins with G =

Kind Regards
Edwin.
 
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Hello, and welcome to MHB, Edwin! (Wave)

We are given:

$$V_e=\sqrt{\frac{2GM}{r}}$$

What do we get if we square both sides of the equation?
 
Hi Mark.

Thank you for replying to my question. If I square the one side of the equation I get 125075572.2797 and I arrive at the same answer if I square the other side.

I should just let you know that my math skill is equal to about 10 to the power of minus 11 ok, so really struggling with this one. I am not really sure what you are trying to show me with squaring both sides of the equation, I see that by doing that I arrive at the same answer but don't know how that knowledge is used to reverse calculate Ve = sqrt{2GM/r} so that the equation can begin with G = . I hope I am making sense, if not please let me know.

Kind Regards
Edwin.
 
After you square both sides, make sure to multiply by $r$ to get rid of the fraction.

Once you do that, you should have a simple equation to solve using multiplication and division.

What are you getting as a solution without plugging in numbers for each unknown?
 
$$V_e=\sqrt{\frac{2GM}{r}}$$

$$V_e=\left(\frac{2GM}{r}\right)^{1/2}$$

$$V^2_e=\left(\frac{2GM}{r}\right)^{1/2}\cdot\left(\frac{2GM}{r}\right)^{1/2}=\left(\frac{2GM}{r}\right)^{1/2+1/2}=\left(\frac{2GM}{r}\right)^1=\frac{2GM}{r}$$

$$V^2_e\cdot\frac{r}{2M}=\frac{2GM}{r}\cdot\frac{r}{2M}$$

Can you continue?
 
Thank you for all your help here guys.

G = (Ve^{2})/2M

Kind Regards
Edwin
 
edwin576 said:
Thank you for all your help here guys.

G = (Ve^{2})/2M

Kind Regards
Edwin

It's actually:

$$G=\frac{rV_e^2}{2M}$$
 

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