Need some help in understanding the philosophy of science

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around understanding the views of three philosophers of science: Thomas Kuhn, Karl Popper, and Francis Bacon. The inquiry seeks to clarify their differing perspectives on the nature of science, particularly in the context of teaching and critiquing these views.

Discussion Character

  • Philosophical clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding Kuhn's concept of paradigm shifts, suggesting that scientists create and change paradigms to explain phenomena.
  • Another participant mentions Popper's idea of falsifiability as a key aspect of scientific theories.
  • A participant notes a lack of understanding regarding Bacon's contributions to the philosophy of science.
  • One participant argues that philosophical discussions about science may be unproductive, emphasizing that science is fundamentally about testing theories against reality through experiments.
  • This participant also contrasts science with religion, stating that scientific theories must be falsifiable, while religious beliefs do not require alignment with reality.
  • Links to external resources are provided by one participant to aid in understanding the philosophers' views.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the value of philosophical discussions in science, with some expressing skepticism about their relevance, while others seek clarity on the philosophers' views.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion, including a lack of detailed explanations of Bacon's philosophy and the varying degrees of understanding among participants regarding Kuhn and Popper. The thread also reflects a tension between philosophical inquiry and the forum's focus on scientific discourse.

khalidkcl
First of all I am a scientist, or a chemist to be more precise. I am changing career to become a chemistry teacher and my course requires me to write an essay on the nature of science and teaching science etc..

I'm having a hard time understanding these 3 philosophers view on what science is?

Thomas Kuhn - Came up with the idea of Paradigm shifts and that scientists create their own paradigms to explain a phenomena, this can change hence the term paradigm shift? that's all I understand...

Karl Popper - Something about falsifiability?

Francis Bacon - no idea.

Can anyone explain to me what their view on science was and how they differed to each other as simple as possible?

I am trying to critique their views but I first need to understand them in good detail.

Many thanks for your assistance.
 
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You may get some replies, but generally speaking, philosophical discussions, even those dealing with the philosophy of science, are off limits at PF. After all, it is Physics Forums, not Philosophy Forums.

All three figures you mentioned are rather well-known. There should be no shortage of hits if you do an internet search on them and their work.
 
Personally, I think trying to get all philosophical about science is a waste of time, but then I'm an engineer by training. Science is about trying to understand reality. As Feynman says in one of his more famous videos, you test scientific theories against reality by doing experiments and if you find an experiment that says the theory doesn't explain reality then it is wrong. It doesn't matter how elegant it is or how smart or well-known the person who proposed it, if it doesn't match reality, it's wrong. Period. THAT's what science is all about.

Also there is falsifiability, which is what separates science from religion. In science we require that a theory be falsifiable. A theory that is NOT falsifiable is not science, it is philosophy or religion. Religion is just the opposite; you take the theory as being true even in the face of reality saying otherwise because in religion, facts are irrelevant in the face of belief whereas in science, belief is irrelevant in the face of facts.
 
khalidkcl said:
First of all I am a scientist, or a chemist to be more precise. I am changing career to become a chemistry teacher and my course requires me to write an essay on the nature of science and teaching science etc..

I'm having a hard time understanding these 3 philosophers view on what science is?

Thomas Kuhn - Came up with the idea of Paradigm shifts and that scientists create their own paradigms to explain a phenomena, this can change hence the term paradigm shift? that's all I understand...

Karl Popper - Something about falsifiability?

Francis Bacon - no idea.

Can anyone explain to me what their view on science was and how they differed to each other as simple as possible?

I am trying to critique their views but I first need to understand them in good detail.

Many thanks for your assistance.
Perhaps one can find some notes online, e.g., here's a set about Kuhn's publication, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions:

http://philosophy.wisc.edu/forster/220/kuhn.htm

This might help with Popper - http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/popper/
and Bacon - http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/francis-bacon/
 
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As has already been pointed out, we don't do philosophy here, which is why the thread was closed.
 

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