Need to preionize xenon lamp with somethingium

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of pre-ionizing a high-power xenon flashlamp to initiate discharge effectively. Participants explore various methods and materials for achieving this, including the use of radioactive sources and alternative gases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the difficulties of using a Tesla coil for pre-ionization due to safety concerns and the cumbersome nature of the setup.
  • The same participant proposes using a mildly radioactive material pressed against the outer wall of the bulb to provide a source of ionization, questioning the effectiveness of alpha, beta, or gamma radiation for penetrating quartz.
  • Another participant suggests using Krypton 86 as a mild beta emitter, which is commercially used for similar purposes.
  • A further response clarifies that Krypton is a noble gas and can be used in a small capsule without harming the lamp's optics, addressing the initial concern about solid materials interfering with the lamp.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the suitability of various ionizing materials, with some advocating for Krypton while others consider solid radioactive options. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for pre-ionization.

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Participants have not fully explored the implications of using radioactive materials, including safety and regulatory concerns. The effectiveness of different radiation types for penetrating quartz is also not conclusively addressed.

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We're building a very high power xenon flashlamp with electrodes so far apart that some kind of pre-ionization is necessary to start the discharge. I dump 10,000 volts across the electrodes so I just need a few loose electrons to get the ball rolling.
I've been using a Tesla coil to get a glow-discharge inside the bulb but that's a pain. The high-voltage high-frequencies like to go places they're not supposed to go (capacitor banks, furniture, people!), the corona scares people, and the ozone stinks. It can be immersed in transformer oil (I do) but the oil is messy. It's big & cumbersome.
I can use a trigger electrode but that means another power supply - also a pain.
I thought a little ionizing radiation might do the trick. I'd like to put something very very mildly radioactive just pressed against the outer wall of the bulb: thorium, americium, radium, some-other-ium. I don't want to put it inside the bulb since the plasma of a 100megawatt discharge get's kinda hot. So the radiation has to penetrate the 1/4 inch thick quartz wall of the bulb.
Welding rods contain a little thorium to start the arc. As I understand it, thorium is mostly an alpha emitter and alpha particles don't penetrate much. Would alpha radiation penetrate that much quartz? If not, would beta or gamma or (shudder) neutron radiation do the job? What would be an easy (& safe) source. We don't want to sterilize any grad students. They're already grumpy.
Thanks,
Apchar
 
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Use Krypton 86. It's a mild beta emitter used for exactly that purpose commercially.
 
Krypton is a gas. I was thinking of something solid. I know Krypton is used in some bulbs. Is that the isotope commonly used? I could affix a small Krypton bulb to my big Xenon bulb.
 
Yes, it's the commonly used gas, and yes you can include a small capsule of it nearby. A solid will vaporize and interfere with the lamp. Krypton being noble will not harm the optics of the lamp.