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The discussion revolves around proving the commutativity of a group (G,*) given a specific condition involving an element a of G, where it is stated that ax³a = x for all x in G. The scope includes theoretical exploration of group properties and mathematical reasoning related to group theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in starting the proof that (G,*) is commutative based on the condition ax³a = x.
  • Another participant questions the properties of the element a, specifically whether it has an inverse.
  • A participant asserts that since G is a group, every element, including a, must have an inverse and a neutral element exists.
  • One participant shares an attempt at a proof, involving substitutions and manipulations of the original condition, but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach.
  • Another participant reiterates the definition of a group from an external source, emphasizing that every element has an inverse.
  • A different participant proposes a method to show commutativity by substituting specific values and manipulating the equations derived from the original condition.
  • One participant derives several equations from the original condition and attempts to show that x and y commute, concluding that the derived relationships imply commutativity.
  • A participant humorously acknowledges that another contributor was quicker in providing a response.

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Participants generally agree on the properties of a as an element of G, particularly that it must have an inverse due to the group structure. However, there is no consensus on the correctness of the proposed proofs or methods for demonstrating commutativity, and multiple approaches are presented without resolution.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the proof steps and the implications of their manipulations. The discussion includes various attempts to derive relationships from the original condition, but the mathematical steps remain unresolved and depend on the interpretations of the group properties.

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Let (G,*) a group and a an element of G such that ax³a=x for all x element of G. Show that (G,*) is commutative. Note that * = multiplication. I am not sure where it is that i should be starting, any help would be appreciated. Thank You.
 
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What is a? Is it in G does it have an inverse?
 
What is written is the exact question not short handed and that is all that is given.
 
it says that a is an element of G, so a is in G but I am not sure if it has an inverse. But since it says that G is a group under the operation that automatically means that any element in G has an inverse and that a neutral element exists within G.
 
I can't figure it out. My excuse is I haven't taken a course on group theory. Here is my feeble attempt.

[tex]x_1 x_2 = y[/tex]
[tex]x_1 = y (x_2)^{-1}[/tex]
[tex](x_1)^3 = x_1 y (x_2)^{-1} x_1[/tex]
[tex]a (x_1)^3 a = a x_1 y (x_2)^{-1} x_1 a[/tex]
[tex]a x_1 a = a x_1 y (x_2)^{-1} x_1 a[/tex]
[tex]x_1=x_1 y (x_2)^{-1} x_1[/tex]
[tex]I=y (x_2)^{-1} x_1[/tex]
[tex](x_1)^{-1} x_2 =y[/tex]
 
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Devoo said:
it says that a is an element of G, so a is in G but I am not sure if it has an inverse. But since it says that G is a group under the operation that automatically means that any element in G has an inverse and that a neutral element exists within G.

I looked up the definition in wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_theory

Every element of a group has an inverse.
 
Devoo said:
Let (G,*) a group and a an element of G such that ax³a=x for all x element of G. Show that (G,*) is commutative. Note that * = multiplication. I am not sure where it is that i should be starting, any help would be appreciated. Thank You.

The following is the first method that occurred to me. Can probably be shortened.
Try substituting in x=1, so a2=1.
Then substitute in ax in place of x. a(ax)3a=ax.
Substitute ax3a in place of x on the rhs. a(ax)3a=aax3a
Expand and cancel the aa on the left. xaxaxa=x3a.
Cancel the x on the left and the xa on the right. axa = x.
Substitute for x on the rhs in the original expression. ax3a=axa.
Cancel ax on the left and a on the right. x2=1 (*).

Now it's fairly standard. Substitute xy for x in (*). xyxy=1.
Multiply on left by x and right by y. x2yxy2=xy.
From (*) we know that x2=y2=1, so yx=xy.
 
Since [itex]a\,x^3\,a=x,\, \forall x\in G[/itex] then for [itex]x=e[/itex] we have [itex]a\,e^3\,a=e\Rightarrow a^2=e\Rightarrow a=a^{-1}[/itex]. Thus

[tex]a\,x^3\,a=x\Rightarrow a\,x^3=x\,a \quad \text{and}\quad x^3\,a=a\,x \quad(1)[/tex]

which yields

[tex]x^3\,a=a\,\,x^3\quad (2)[/tex]

Then for [itex]x,\,y \in G[/itex] we have

[tex]x\,y=x\,e\,y\,e\Rightarrow x\,y= x\,a^2\,y\,a^2\Rightarrow x\,y=(x\,a)\,a\,(y\,a)\,a\overset{(1)}\Rightarrow x\,y=(a\,x^3)\,a\,(a\,y^3)\,a\Rightarrow x\,y=a\,x^3\,y^3\,a\overset{(2)}\Rightarrow x\,y=x^3\,a\,a\,y^3\Rightarrow x\,y=x^3\,y^3\Rightarrow[/tex]

[tex]x^{-1}\,x\,y\,y^{-1}=x^{-1}\,x^3\,y^3\,y^{-1}\Rightarrow e=x^2\,y^2\Rightarrow x^{-1}\,y^{-1}=x\,y\Rightarrow (y\,x)^{-1}=x\,y \quad \forall (x,y)\in G \quad (\ast)[/tex]​

Now let in [itex](\ast)\, y=e\Rightarrow x^{-1}=x \quad \forall x\in G[/itex], thus

[tex](\ast)\Rightarrow y\,x=x\,y \quad \forall (x,y) \in G[/tex]​
 
Oupppsss! gel was faster! :smile:
 

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