Neptune: Beauty Beyond Our Standard Eyes

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The discussion centers around the visual perception of Neptune, particularly how it appears to observers from a distance, such as one million kilometers away. Participants explore the beauty of Neptune's color, the effects of different observational equipment, and the comparison with other celestial bodies like Uranus. The conversation includes personal experiences with telescopes and the challenges of accurately perceiving color in astronomical observations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express admiration for Neptune's beauty and discuss the deep blue color observed in images and through telescopes.
  • One participant questions the realism of images of Neptune, particularly how it would appear to a human observer at a distance of one million kilometers.
  • There is mention of the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) potentially capturing images of Neptune, but concerns are raised that these would be in infrared rather than visible light.
  • Participants share personal observations of Neptune, noting that it appears as a small disk but retains a beautiful shade of blue.
  • Technical details about telescope specifications and eyepiece magnifications are discussed, highlighting how these factors influence the perception of Neptune's color.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of background stars for color comparison when observing Neptune, suggesting that visual perception can be affected by surrounding objects.
  • Comparisons are made between Neptune and Uranus, with participants noting differences in size, brightness, and color tone.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share a fascination with Neptune and its color, but there are differing views on how accurately images represent the planet's appearance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods for observing and interpreting Neptune's color.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the subjective nature of color perception, the influence of observational equipment, and the potential for psychological factors to affect visual interpretation. There is also an acknowledgment that images from different telescopes may not provide a complete or comparable view of Neptune.

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Astronomy enthusiasts, amateur astronomers, and those interested in planetary science may find this discussion relevant, particularly regarding observational techniques and the visual characteristics of celestial bodies.

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Personally, I would say I am a Neptune fan. This planet is extreme. Temperature, wind speed etc. I love this beautiful deep blue light from so many fotos. Some white clouds on the top, so lovely.
My question: How real is the picture I got? What if I am as a human 1 million kilometers away, how does the planet look for me? Say, I have "standard eyes", a mean value.
 
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Omega0 said:
Personally, I would say I am a Neptune fan. This planet is extreme. Temperature, wind speed etc. I love this beautiful deep blue light from so many fotos. Some white clouds on the top, so lovely.
My question: How real is the picture I got? What if I am as a human 1 million kilometers away, how does the planet look for me? Say, I have "standard eyes", a mean value.
Google Neptune and Voyager 2.

https://www.universetoday.com/21642/pictures-of-neptune/

Webb may get images too at some point.
 
pinball1970 said:
Webb may get images too at some point
But it will be in the IR and not the "real" the OP desires.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
But it will be in the IR and not the "real" the OP desires.
Yes. I will check HST and feedback.
 
Omega0 said:
Personally, I would say I am a Neptune fan. This planet is extreme. Temperature, wind speed etc. I love this beautiful deep blue light from so many fotos. Some white clouds on the top, so lovely.
My question: How real is the picture I got? What if I am as a human 1 million kilometers away, how does the planet look for me? Say, I have "standard eyes", a mean value.
I have not seen your image.
You may like this,
 
I've observed Neptune visually, using my telescope and an eyepiece. (That way it's not subject to the response of the camera sensor or the digital media used to display the image.) I can say that although it is appears as only a small disk (very small angular diameter), it retains a very beautiful shade of blue.
 
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collinsmark said:
I've observed Neptune visually, using my telescope and an eyepiece.
What diameter had your lens or mirror?
collinsmark said:
I can say that although it is appears as only a small disk (very small angular diameter), it retains a very beautiful shade of blue.
Would you describe as a darker blue or more a light tone?
 
Omega0 said:
What diameter had your lens or mirror?

Would you describe as a darker blue or more a light tone?
10" (ten inch, i.e., 254 mm) Meade LX200-ACF. Native focal length: 2540 mm (@ f/10)

Various eyepieces from ~24 mm to 8 mm. A 2x Powermate (think of it as a Barlow lens) may have been involved too. So magnifications from around ~100x to ~500x.

Viewing with a lower power eyepiece brings a higher probability of having background stars in the field of view, allowing you to get a good comparison between the color of Neptune and the color of other stars in view. In that case, the brilliant blue of Neptune is unmistakable.

A higher power eyepiece will of course make Neptune's disk look a little bigger. But even at 10", my setup is not big enough to resolve any weather on Neptune. It still looks blue though. But without any background stars for comparison, it's difficult to judge how blue it actually is, since your eyes adjust to the color. But it's pretty deep blue, comparitively speaking anyway.

All that said, Neptune is a really beautiful shade of blue. It's difficult to put into words, except to say it's breathtaking.

For comparison, Uranus is bigger and brighter, and also blue, but Uranus's blue is closer to sky-blue. Slewing to Neptune, you'll see a smaller/dimmer object, but that Neptune blue just takes your breath away.
 
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collinsmark said:
10" (ten inch, i.e., 254 mm) Meade LX200-ACF. Native focal length: 2540 mm (@ f/10)

Various eyepieces from ~24 mm to 8 mm. A 2x Powermate (think of it as a Barlow lens) may have been involved too. So magnifications from around ~100x to ~500x.
Nice hardware. I just have an 4'' refractor but better than nothing.
collinsmark said:
Viewing with a lower power eyepiece brings a higher probability of having background stars in the field of view, allowing you to get a good comparison between the color of Neptune and the color of other stars in view. In that case, the brilliant blue of Neptune is unmistakable.
Thanks, this makes very much sense.
collinsmark said:
But without any background stars for comparison, it's difficult to judge how blue it actually is, since your eyes adjust to the color. But it's pretty deep blue, comparitively speaking anyway.
I understand, this is a good hint for observation. Psychology plays a big role for visual perception, for example.
collinsmark said:
For comparison, Uranus is bigger and brighter, and also blue, but Uranus's blue is closer to sky-blue. Slewing to Neptune, you'll see a smaller/dimmer object, but that Neptune blue just takes your breath away.
Yeah, I believe that Uranus is really felt as sort of the underdog in our solar system (I think about the movie "The Farthest"). Something like being in a loser club with Venus or so. Nevertheless, I'll try to see Uranus first and in the future, I'll see what I can do to improve my hardware.
Thanks for your detailed information.
 
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