Net force on rectangular circuit

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the net force on a rectangular circuit in the context of magnetic fields and forces acting on current-carrying conductors. The subject area includes electromagnetism, specifically the application of the right-hand rule and the interaction between magnetic fields and electric currents.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the forces acting on the rectangular wire, questioning the directions of these forces and the implications of the right-hand rule. There is a discussion about whether the internal net force is zero and the influence of the long wire on the rectangular loop.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing confirmations and seeking clarifications on the directions of forces and magnetic fields. Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of unit vectors and the setup of a coordinate system, but multiple interpretations of the magnetic field directions are being explored.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information shared. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions related to the magnetic field's strength and direction in relation to the long wire.

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Homework Equations


Right hand rules

The Attempt at a Solution


Am i correct for a? I drew my interpretations of the magnetic field around each section.
For b) am i correct to think the internal net force in the rectangular wire is 0, and the only force acting on it is that of the long wire at the bottom. And if that is correct, which way is the net force acting on the rectangular loop?
 
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For part a, all your forces have to be in opposite direction.
F=i (L×B)
For the bottom part, L is along ##-\hat i## and B is along ##\hat k##.
L×B is along ##-\hat j## or downwards.
 
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Why are they in opposite directions? Does that not fit the right hand rule?
 
Alameen Damer said:
For b) am i correct to think the internal net force in the rectangular wire is 0, and the only force acting on it is that of the long wire at the bottom.
yes
And if that is correct, which way is the net force acting on the rectangular loop?
where is the B field stronger, nearer the long wire or farther away from it?
 
Near the long wire, then it must be acting downwards correct?
 
Alameen Damer said:
Near the long wire, then it must be acting downwards correct?
Since you previously showed that you could determine the direction I'm giving you a "Yes".
 
Ok, are the directions of the magnetic field around the rectangle wrong?
 
Alameen Damer said:
Ok, are the directions of the magnetic field around the rectangle wrong?
They're wrong.
Set up a coordinate system x to the right, y up, z out of page. Then evaluate the various unit vectors.
E.g. for the top left segment we get i x -k = ?
Learn the circular +/- i +/- j+/- k ↔ +/- i diagram for the signs. I find it a whole lot easier than twisting my hand and fingers into unnatural shapes ...
 

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