Net Torque Calculation for a Square with Equal Forces Acting on Opposite Sides

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net torque about an axle for a square with equal forces acting on opposite sides. The original poster presents a scenario involving a square with a specified side length and forces applied at its edges, questioning the provided answer in their textbook.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of torque based on the forces applied and question the correctness of the answer provided in the textbook. There is speculation about the potential influence of the square's mass on the torque calculation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions made in the original statement and the validity of the provided answer. Some suggest that there may be a typo in the textbook, while others explore the implications of gravitational forces on the torque calculation.

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There is a lack of information regarding the mass of the square, which some participants believe could affect the torque calculation. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the provided answer and the reasoning behind it.

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Homework Statement



The question asks, What is the net torque about the axle? Pictured is a square of sidelength .1 m, the pivot is placed on the bottom left corner. A force vector of magnitude 50 N points parallel to the left side and toward the pivot. Another equal force vector points north along the right side of the square. At the risk of being chastised I have included a picture.

Homework Equations


Torque = FxR or force(moment arm)
A force vector pointing toward the pivot exerts no torque.

The Attempt at a Solution


Torque = (50N)(.1 m)= 5Nm

Inexplicably (to me), the answer is 4.3 Nm.
 

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How do you know that anwer ?
 
Looks like an incorrect answer was provided, or perhaps the square has a mass that's not mentioned in the problem statement?
 
4.3 Nm is the answer provided in the back of the book. There doesn't appear to be anything about the mass of the square, but even if there was, wouldn't the answer remain 5.0 Nm? I suspected the solution was wrong but I thought I'd post it to make sure I wasn't missing something.
 
blintaro said:
4.3 Nm is the answer provided in the back of the book. There doesn't appear to be anything about the mass of the square, but even if there was, wouldn't the answer remain 5.0 Nm? I suspected the solution was wrong but I thought I'd post it to make sure I wasn't missing something.

A gravitational force would act vertically through the center of mass, which is not aligned with the point of rotation, but a typo in the solutions is the more likely scenario.
 
Oh yeah, that would make sense. I suppose one could work backward to find the mass of the square give the net torque. Would it be accurate to say if the torque from gravity is .7 Nm, then .7 = (mg)(.05) => m = 14/g?
Seems an odd number. Oh well, I think i's fair to chat this up to a typo in the solutions as well. Thanks for your time.
 
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