Neurotransmitters: Replacement and Reuse in the Brain

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the replacement and reuse of neurotransmitters in the brain, exploring the mechanisms of neurotransmitter synthesis, degradation, and the implications of these processes on brain function. It touches on biological concepts, metabolic pathways, and the longevity of neurotransmitters within the body.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while all neurotransmitters can be synthesized, exceptions may arise in unhealthy organisms.
  • There is a suggestion that neurotransmitter reuse enhances efficiency by reducing the need for constant synthesis, which is energy-intensive.
  • Questions arise about the fate of neurotransmitters that are "lost" during the reuse process, with speculation about diffusion and breakdown by enzymes.
  • One participant discusses the breakdown of neurotransmitters and their components being recycled or excreted as waste, linking this to metabolic pathways.
  • There is a query about whether neurotransmitters present at birth remain in the body in some form, with a response indicating that it is unlikely due to the continual breakdown and replacement of cellular components.
  • Another participant notes that some neurons may not be replaced even if they die, introducing a potential counterpoint to the discussion about neurotransmitter longevity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the longevity and replacement of neurotransmitters, with some suggesting that they are unlikely to persist from birth, while others highlight the permanence of certain neurons. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about neurotransmitter half-lives and the specifics of metabolic pathways, which are not fully explored or defined in the discussion.

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OK I read that some neurotransmitters in the brain are replaced but others are reused.
Does that mean that some of them can't be replaced?
 
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Welcome to PF Mike. Short answer is no, all neurotransmitters can be synthesised but there are of course exceptions if the organism is unhealthy for whatever reason. Reuse is a good way of increasing neurotransmitter efficiency by not having to synthesise more all the time which would be nutrition and energy intensive.
 
I read that some neurotransmitters are "lost" during reusing process, where do the "lost" ones go?
 
Do you have a specific reference? There are a lot of different neurotransmitter's along with their associated metabolic pathways! I don't know for sure (my neuroscience is a little rusty) but by "lost" it could be that they are not re-absorbed into the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axon_terminal" quick enough and so diffuse away, they are likely to be broken down quickly by relevant enzymes to prevent neural "short-circuits".
 
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Once they're broken down where do they go?
 
All over until eventually components are recycled or excreted as waste. Taking a neurotransmitter as an example this is an extremely simple map of dopamine degradation;

500px-Dopamine_degradation.svg.png


When chemicals are broken down the molecules produced, the by-products, catalysts and all other biomolecules used in the process get sucked into other chains of chemical reactions. We call these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolic_pathway" .
 
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Do you think that some of the neurotransmitters, that I was born with, for example, are still present in the body as parts, or in some form?
 
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Do you think that some of the neurotransmitters, that I was born with, for example, are still present in the body as parts, or in some form?

I don't know, how old are you? If you were born recently it's highly likely :-p

Seriously though it's not very likely. The majority of cells in your body are routinely broken down and replaced, even the cells that stay with you "for life" have all their sub-components broken down and replaced periodically, this is biology's take on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus" . There's probably a half life for neurotransmitters that means even if they are recyclable the chances of them still being there after X units of time halves (I.e. neurotransmitter A has a 50% chance of still being in use in a month, 25% in two months, 12.5% in three months...0.02% in a year etc), this could obviously be different for different chemicals. I'm afraid I don't know about this for sure, I'm not even sure anyone does, but whilst I can't rule it out completely I would say it is extremely unlikely that there are any atoms within you that were there at your birth.
 
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Well some of the neurons in your brain are never replaced (i read) even if they die.
 
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