Neutron Stars vs Black Holes: What's the Difference?

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The discussion centers on the differences between neutron stars and black holes, focusing on their formation, characteristics, and the role of progenitor star mass. The scope includes theoretical aspects of stellar evolution and the physical processes involved in the collapse of massive stars.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that the final state of a star depends on its mass, with smaller stars becoming white dwarfs, intermediate mass stars forming neutron stars, and the most massive stars collapsing into black holes.
  • One participant notes that neutron stars are formed when gravity is strong enough to convert electrons and protons into neutrons, but not strong enough to create a black hole.
  • A participant provides a specific density measurement for neutron stars, indicating their extreme density compared to ordinary matter.
  • Another participant discusses the mass thresholds for stellar remnants, suggesting that progenitor stars up to approximately 10.5 solar masses typically become white dwarfs, while those between 10.5 and 20 solar masses usually result in neutron stars, with black holes forming from more massive stars.
  • A later reply corrects earlier mass thresholds, stating that smaller stars are those less than about 8 solar masses, with neutron stars forming from stars between 8 and 20 solar masses, and black holes from those exceeding 20 solar masses.
  • This participant cites Kip Thorne's work to support their claims about the mass limits and the uncertainties involved in stellar evolution processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mass thresholds for the formation of neutron stars and black holes, indicating that there is no consensus on the exact limits and the processes involved in stellar evolution.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved uncertainties regarding the mass limits for stellar remnants, the effects of relativistic and centrifugal forces, and the implications of observational data on stellar evolution.

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what is the difference between a neutron star and a black hole?
 
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The amount of gravity...

All stars eventually end up dying. The nature of the corpse depends on the mass of the star...some collapse into white dwarfs, others neutron stars, and the most massive collapse entirely into black holes.

Smaller stars, less than 1.4 of our suns, become white dwarfs,

larger ones, up to 2 or 3 of our suns end up as neutron stars,

bigger than that: black hole!

In a neutron star, there is enough gravity (enough mass) to crush electrons into the nucleus, so electrons and protons become neutrons, hence the name, but there is not enough gravity to further crush the particles out of existence and form a black hole.
 
A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star" is a highly dense objects that form from a collapsing star. They are so dense that a single teaspoon of neutron star matter could mass around 2.5 billion tonnes!

A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole" .
 
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Depends mainly on the progenitor star mass. Progenitor stars up to ~10.5 solar mass will become white dwarfs. From 10.5 ~20 solar masses, a neutron star is the usual result - for isolated stars. In binary star systems, a neutron star may result from progenitor stars of 50 or more solar masses [re: http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.4143] . The Chandrasekhar limit applies to the mass of the remnant star and is actually rather uncertain if you fully account for relativistic and centrifugal effects.
 
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Amend my post to read NOT

Smaller stars, less than 1.4 of our suns, become white dwarfs,

larger ones, up to 2 or 3 of our suns end up as neutron stars,

bigger than that: black hole!

but instead:

Smaller stars, less than about 8 of our suns,

larger ones, from about 8 to 20 solar mass, end up as neutron stars,

bigger than that: black hole.

Source: BLACK HOLES AND TIMES WARPS, Kip Thorne, pg 206

"The preponderance of the observational data suggest (but do yet firmly prove) that most stars born heavier than about 20 suns remain so heavy when they die that their pressure proivdes no protection against gravity..." He's referring to that fact that stars may blow off mass/energy as in supernovas.)
 

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