New Beauty Baryon discovered

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The discussion centers around the recent discovery of a new type of "beauty baryon" at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). Participants explore the implications of this discovery, the potential for finding more particles, and the challenges associated with evaluating their properties. The conversation touches on theoretical predictions, particle classification, and the complexities of particle production and detection in high-energy collisions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the significance of the discovery, suggesting that while the LHC datasets may yield more particles, these are not fundamental and are predicted by theory.
  • One participant reviews the current state of hadron discoveries, noting that no hadrons with more than three (anti)quarks have been reliably detected and discussing the combinations of quarks found in baryons and mesons.
  • Another participant highlights the challenges in producing baryons with multiple heavy quarks, emphasizing that the production of such baryons requires specific conditions in high-energy collisions.
  • There is mention of a potential LHCb paper on double-charm production, although it primarily focuses on mesons rather than baryons.
  • Concerns are raised about the detection of baryons with multiple heavy quarks due to their complex decay modes and short lifetimes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the discovery and the challenges associated with detecting and producing various baryons. There is no consensus on the implications of the new beauty baryon or the likelihood of discovering additional baryons with multiple heavy quarks.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects limitations in current understanding of baryon production and detection, particularly regarding heavy quarks and the conditions necessary for their formation in high-energy collisions.

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New "Beauty Baryon" discovered

“A never-before-seen subatomic particle has popped into existence inside the world's largest atom smasher, bringing physicists a step closer to unraveling the mystery of how matter is put together in the universe.”

“After crashing particles together about 530 trillion times, scientists working on the CMS experiment at Switzerland's Large Hadron Collider (LHC) saw unmistakable evidence for a new type of "beauty baryon."”

http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-particle-discovered-at-large-hadron-collider
 
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I expect that the large LHC datasets have the potential for some more particles. However, as they are not fundamental particles and as they are predicted by theoriy, this is not really amazing.
The hard part is not to find these particle, but to evaluate their properties.
 


I went over to the Particle Data Group, to see what hadron states we've discovered so far.

We've reliably detected no hadrons with more than three (anti)quarks, and top quarks decay too fast to be hadronized, so we have only the other 5 flavors of quarks in a hadron.

Of mesons, we've detected every flavor combination, while of the baryons, we've detected every flavor combination only of up, down, and strange: uuu, uud, udd, ddd, uus, uds, dds, uss, dss, sss. We've also found every combination with a single charm quark: uuc, udc, ddc, usc, dsc, ssc. However, we've found only some with a single bottom quark: uuc, udc, ddc, usc, dsc, and ssc, but we've detected only some of those combinations with single-bottom baryons: udb, usb, dsb, and ssb. That leaves uub and ddb.

But I would not be surprised if the LHC detector teams also discover evidence of uub and ddb baryons in LHC events.

I don't know if there is much prospect of detecting baryons with multiple charm and/or bottom quarks, however. The PDG's summary tables mention a \Xi_{cc}^{+} (dcc) baryon, but with only one star, meaning a dubious detection.
 


Well, this is related to their production and (to a lesser extent) to their detection.

Light quarks (uds) don't need much energy to be produced, they appear in large amounts everywhere in high-energy collisions. Charm and bottom pair production is less frequent, and the quarks are produced with higher energy. While hadrons with a single heavy quark can be produced out of the quarks in these pairs, hadrons with two heavy quarks need the production of (usually) two pairs in the same collision, and with a similar energy and direction in order to get into the same baryon.

There should be an LHCb paper or conference report on double-charm production (two charm and two anti-charm quarks), but its focus was on mesons and not baryons.
Edit: Here it isMore than one heavy quark gives a lot of different possible decay modes and usually a short lifetime. Both can make it harder to detect, compared to other baryons.
 
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