New results indicate that new particle is a Higgs boson

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The discussion centers around the recent announcement from the Moriond Conference regarding new results from the ATLAS and CMS collaborations at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), suggesting that the newly discovered particle is increasingly resembling a Higgs boson. Participants explore the implications of this finding, particularly whether it corresponds to the Standard Model Higgs or a different theoretical particle, while also addressing related questions about the nature of mass.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the new results indicate the particle is looking more like a Higgs boson, but question whether it is the Standard Model Higgs or a different particle from beyond the Standard Model.
  • There is a sentiment among some participants that the detectors used in these experiments are impressive and significant achievements in physics.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about whether the announcement is good or bad news.
  • A question is raised about whether the Higgs boson explains both inertia and gravity, with a response clarifying that the Higgs is related to inertia but not gravity within the Standard Model framework.
  • Another participant points out that most mass in ordinary objects is not due to the Higgs boson, but rather from other sources, such as the energy in the glue field of hadrons.
  • Some participants inquire about additional materials or papers related to the conference announcement beyond the initial press release.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of excitement and skepticism regarding the implications of the new results. There is no consensus on whether the new particle is definitively the Higgs boson of the Standard Model or something else. Additionally, the discussion about the relationship between the Higgs boson and gravity remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect assumptions about the nature of mass and the role of the Higgs boson, which may depend on specific definitions and theoretical frameworks. The discussion also acknowledges that the relationship between gravity and the Standard Model is complex and not fully resolved.

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This was released today so I'm not sure if most have seen it yet. It appears that "a" Higgs Boson is confirmed.

http://home.web.cern.ch/about/updates/2013/03/new-results-indicate-new-particle-higgs-boson

At the Moriond Conference today, the ATLAS and CMS collaborations at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) presented preliminary new results that further elucidate the particle discovered last year. Having analysed two and a half times more data than was available for the discovery announcement in July, they find that the new particle is looking more and more like a Higgs Boson, the particle linked to the mechanism that gives mass to elementary particles. It remains an open question, however, whether this is the Higgs boson of the Standard Model of particle physics, or possibly the lightest of several bosons predicted in some theories that go beyond the Standard Model. Finding the answer to this question will take time.
 
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To me, these detectors are works of art. Yea Standard Model.

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To me, these detectors are works of art. Yea Standard Model.

Well, don't get too excited. Remember, the bigger they come, the harder they fall...
 
DiracPool said:
Remember, the bigger they come, the harder they fall...
That's mass for ya.
 
dlgoff said:
To me, these detectors are works of art.
I used to get a bit concerned several years ago when people referred to CMS as "See-A-Mess".

So great, how it's all turned out.
 
Not sure whether it is good news or bad news...
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Question from a non-physicist:

Does the Higgs boson explain both aspects of mass, inertia and gravity, or only inertia?
 
skeptic2 said:
Does the Higgs boson explain both aspects of mass, inertia and gravity, or only inertia?
Gravity is not part of the standard model of particle physics, hence the Higgs is unrelated to gravity in this model(*). The Higgs boson describes inertia for elementary particles. Please note that most of the mass of ordinary everyday objects is not due to the Higgs (rather, it is "frozen energy" in the glue field of hadrons). Even worse, please remember that most of the mass in the universe is not "ordinary" (dark matter).

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(*) you can in principle describe gravity with the same formalism as the standard model of particle physics, namely perturbative quantum field theory. However, this description fails at high energies (very high energies), so gravity is not part of the "standard" version.

For future visitors : this thread used to be in the "general discussion", hence the above informal tone...
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Thanks, Humanino.
 
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Is there more material available than this short press release?
 
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DrDu said:
Is there more material available than this short press release?

No idea. I just saw this linked on facebook and decided to post it here.
 
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Is there more material available than this short press release?
The papers presented at Moriond, especially the Thursday morning session.
 

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