New Energy: Audio Vibrations Create Movement Energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of harnessing energy from audio vibrations, exploring the feasibility and efficiency of converting sound energy into usable movement energy. Participants examine theoretical implications, practical applications, and the limitations of current methods of sound energy conversion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that audio vibrations can be converted into movement energy, although they acknowledge that the quantity of energy generated is minor.
  • Others argue that sound is not a form of energy in a practical sense, questioning the rationale behind generating sound to convert it back into energy.
  • A participant suggests that while the idea is fair in principle, the actual energy available from sound is limited, especially in environments where sound levels are high enough to be painful.
  • There is a discussion about the inefficiency of sound reproduction compared to other forms of energy generation, with one participant noting that audio amplifiers suggest a higher potential energy than what can actually be harvested from sound.
  • Some participants discuss the challenges of capturing sound energy due to its omnidirectional nature and the losses associated with air molecule motion and thermal energy.
  • There is a debate about the relationship between the erratic motion of air molecules and sound energy, with differing views on how this affects energy capture and propagation.
  • Participants mention that sound energy is often lost to heat due to viscous friction and absorption by objects, complicating the energy conversion process.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of focusing on macroscopic properties of sound propagation rather than the microscopic behavior of air molecules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of converting sound energy into movement energy, with no consensus reached. There are competing perspectives on the efficiency of sound energy capture and the role of air molecule motion in this process.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in current methods of sound energy conversion, including inefficiencies in sound reproduction and the challenges of capturing energy from omnidirectional sound waves. The discussion also touches on the complexities of sound propagation and energy loss mechanisms.

  • #31
If you put the '100W speaker' into a concrete box and had a vibrating diaphragm across a hole in the box, you could probably get a watt of kinetic energy (more, if the system were tuned / matched well. But you would be better to cut out the middle man and connect the speaker leads directly to a load.

If you are just talking about using the 'wasted' sound power in a room then you have to accept that most of it will be absorbed by walls and furnishings (or, if you're outside at Glastonbury, the rest of the world) and there's precious little available for your 'sound energy collector', which will intercept a small fraction of what was produced by the speakers. If it were a worthwhile project, don't you think that they'd have something of the sort on every airfield runway, to get the power from the jet engines and inside every big noisy piece of machinery?

And, yes, speakers can get hot enough to melt the speech coil, if you drive them too hard.
 
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  • #32
russ_watters said:
It's been a while since I've put my hand on one, but I think the coils do get hot!

Note that a lot of the heat is also dissipated at the amplifier.
I have put my hands on the speaker housings and spiders, especially in applications in which I thought I was over-loading the speakers. When I built guitar amps, I almost always built open-back designs, and when I was running inverted-chassis designs (so that the tubes were head-down in the same enclosure as the speaker) and really pushing them I sometimes ran external fans to cool stuff. Probably the most iconic tones are produced Fender 5E3 tweeds and smaller Vox amps, which can run hot if pushed.
 
  • #33
Did you ever actually measure the current and volts applied to the speech coils, though? Did you ever run 1kHz tone at a measured 100W into them? 'Loud' music is seldom equivalent to the max power single tone situation. Even with a lot of compression, the peak to mean ratio of 'interesting' guitar sounds will be a lot less than unity - you need peaks for an edgy sound.
 
  • #34
I rarely ever benched amps with an O-scope or with a multi-meter. My concentration was on replicating tones of iconic amps. As long as the amps were performing well, and I could tweak them to get the right tones, I didn't concern myself with minutia. I built some head-only amps, and combined them with speaker enclosures that were open-backed, partial open-backed, and closed. The closed enclosures got more of my attention WRT to waste heat. Velcro a thermocouple to the the housing surrounding the voice coil (the motor of a speaker) and watch what happens when you crank the amp. I'm a pragmatist when it comes to amp-building.
 

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