New Insight into the Chemistry of Solvents

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The discussion centers around a recent study from the University of Oxford regarding the behavior of like-charged particles in various solvents, challenging the traditional principle that like charges repel. Participants explore the implications of this research within the context of chemistry and physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the claim that like charges can attract, comparing it to homeopathy and questioning the reliability of published research.
  • Others argue that the study's headline is misleading, suggesting that while the solvent may facilitate the proximity of like charges, the fundamental repulsive force still exists.
  • A participant introduces the concept of the electron gas acting as a solvent for positive ionic cores in metals, relating it to the Cooper mechanism in superconductors, which may align with the study's findings.

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Participants generally disagree on the interpretation of the study's findings, with some viewing it as a significant challenge to established principles, while others remain skeptical and critical of the claims made.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made in the study, the definitions of terms used, and the specific conditions under which the observed phenomena occur.

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The notion of opposite charges attract and like repel has to be modified when dealing with certain types of solvents where like charges may group together.
https://www.newsweek.com/basic-principle-physics-wrong-oxford-university-scientists-say-1874984

Opposites charges attract; like charges repel" is a long-held fundamental principle of physics that you might have heard at school, but your teacher may have been wrong.

Researchers from the University of Oxford's chemistry department found that like-charged particles submerged in solutions were able to attract each other from long distances, depending on the solvent used and the sign of the charge.

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The study has been published in the journal Nature Nanotechnology.
 
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I must admit I'm as skeptic as @Bystander. To be honest it almost sounds to me like homeopathy. Then again what do I know...?

Being published in a respected journal is no guarantee anymore, is it? Was it ever?

EDIT: Then again I could of course have read the article before proffering my meaning, I apologize.
 
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The headline and claim that opposites don't always attract is clickbait. The particles still exhibit repulsive force. The solvent is doing it's own work and bringing them together.
 
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sbrothy said:
I must admit I'm as skeptic as @Bystander. To be honest it almost sounds to me like homeopathy. Then again what do I know...?

Being published in a respected journal is no guarantee anymore, is it? Was it ever?

EDIT: Then again I could of course have read the article before proffering my meaning, I apologize.
It's clickbait. You didn't miss anything in the article. In a particular solvent, it is more energetically favorable for the solvent to move like charges closer together. The charges are still repelling each other, of course.
 
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If you consider the electron gas as a solvent for the positive ionic cores in a metal, the Cooper mechanism in superconductors is just of this form
 

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