CPT symmetry and antimatter gravity in general relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the gravitational behavior of antimatter within the framework of general relativity and the implications of CPT symmetry. Participants explore theoretical predictions regarding the interaction between matter and antimatter, including the possibility of antigravity and its consequences for cosmology and fundamental physics theories.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that antimatter may exhibit mutual repulsion with matter, leading to implications for cosmological models of accelerated expansion.
  • Others argue that the majority of mass in everyday objects comes from QCD binding energy, which complicates the classification of mass as matter or antimatter and raises questions about differing gravitational interactions.
  • A few participants express skepticism about the idea of antimatter falling upwards, citing the well-established equivalence principle and the lack of experimental evidence supporting such claims.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the implications of black holes and mesons in the context of matter-antimatter interactions, questioning whether they exhibit different gravitational behaviors.
  • Some participants reference the CPT theorem, which implies that the gravitational mass of antimatter should be equivalent to that of ordinary matter, thus excluding the possibility of repulsive gravity.
  • There is mention of a theoretical framework proposed by Villata that suggests a modification of general relativity to incorporate CPT symmetry, positing that antimatter could be treated as having a negative gravitational charge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the gravitational behavior of antimatter and the validity of the proposed theories. Some express skepticism about the implications of the original paper, while others explore its theoretical foundations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in current understanding, including the lack of experimental evidence for antimatter's gravitational behavior and the complexities introduced by QCD binding energy. Theoretical claims about modifications to general relativity remain speculative and unverified.

  • #31
rootone said:
I would not be surprised if turns out that the missing antimatter somehow explains dark matter.

In a not entirely unrelated point, one of the most important pieces of big picture information that is missing in our understanding of the cosmology of the universe is the ratio of neutrinos to antineutrinos in the universe. We have quite decent estimates of the total number of quarks, anti-quarks, charged leptons and charged anti-leptons in the universe, and we have quite decent estimates of the total number of neutrinos in the universe. But, we don't have any decent estimates of the ratio of neutrinos to antineutrinos in the universe.

This is a problem because in the Standard Model baryon number (which can be determined from the number of quarks and antiquarks) is conserved and we can calculated B, and lepton number (which can be determined from the number of charged leptons, charged anti-leptons, neutrinos and antineutrinos) is also separately conserved (with one hypothetical Standard Model interaction that only occurs at very high energies and has never been observed preserving only B-L but neither independently). We also know the total estimated mass of dark matter and hence can calculate the number of dark matter particles for any given dark matter mass, but we don't know if dark matter has baryon number, lepton number or something else.

But, even if dark matter has lepton number, the number of neutrinos and antineutrinos so greatly outnumber the combined number of quarks, anti-quarks, charged leptons, charged anti-leptons, and dark matter particles (with any sensible estimate for dark matter mass) that absolute value of L and B-L and B+L for the universe is completely dominated by the ratio of neutrinos to antineutrinos in the universe. So, we're missing a pretty key data point to understanding the overall matter-antimatter balance of the universe. (And, of course, it only gets more complicated if neutrinos are Majorana particles.)
 
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  • #32
mfb said:
YesNo. There are other ideas how antimatter could fall upwards - ideas that are worked out much better than Kodama's paper.It is lost in obscurity already.
Don't trust rumors.All for possible models of new physics, and all 500 are not in disagreement with observations, unlike Kodama's paper.

the 750 diphoton has gone away with more data. the Alpha experiment hasn't been done yet, not sure when it will be.
 
  • #33
There is now strong experimental evidence that antimatter behaves gravitationally the same way that matter does.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1508.04377 (the preprint attached was accepted for publication in its most recent version after peer review).
 
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  • #34
I don't understand where they get the ##\gamma^2## from in equation 5 or how they get equation 6.

The gravitational potential difference is ~10 MJ/kg, or 50 µeV/electron. Why would such a tiny difference lead to O(10-4) differences in synchrotron radiation?

I like this paper (PDF) they cite which discusses the potential influence of the gravitational potential on kaon mixing. This mixing is very sensitive to mass differences, there I understand the method.
 
  • #35
I like the kaon paper as well.
 

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