New Nuclear Reactor Design: Desired Features & Goals

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The discussion centers on desired features and goals for new nuclear reactor designs, focusing on safety, efficiency, waste management, and operational costs. Participants explore various reactor types, including liquid metal and molten salt reactors, and their potential advantages and challenges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire for reactors to operate at no pressure above 1 atm in the core, citing safety concerns.
  • Another participant argues that achieving less than 1 atm in the core is impractical due to physical principles related to mass and pressure.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of passive cooling systems for shutdown scenarios to enhance safety.
  • There is a call for reactors that produce less waste, with a specific interest in reducing the lifetime of nuclear waste to under 1000 years.
  • Some participants propose that molten salt reactors could theoretically operate at ambient vapor pressure, potentially improving safety and efficiency.
  • Concerns are raised about the security costs associated with smaller, modular reactors compared to larger plants.
  • Participants discuss the potential for new designs to incorporate advanced safety features that have been developed since older reactors were built.
  • There is a suggestion that future reactor designs should aim for higher energy conversion efficiencies, potentially avoiding the need to boil water.
  • Some participants highlight the different priorities and challenges faced by developed versus developing countries in nuclear reactor construction and deployment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and desirability of various reactor features, with no clear consensus on the best approach or design. Disagreements exist regarding the practicality of operating at low pressures and the implications of different reactor types on waste management and safety.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in current reactor designs, including the challenges of waste management and the need for robust safety features. The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions about the capabilities and operational requirements of different reactor technologies.

  • #31
My chemistry is a rusty but I believe corrosion is mainly due to the water's pH.
 
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  • #32
mheslep said:
My chemistry is a rusty but I believe corrosion is mainly due to the water's pH.
It's actually much more complicated, and involves the influence of each cation/anion species and their relative amounts.

pH affects passivity of metal surfaces, and is more important to dissolution of metal from certain surfaces (materials), e.g., stainless steel and Ni-bearing alloys such as Inconels, and precipitation of metal oxides on the fuel or elsewhere in the system.

Soluble oxygen in water is important.

Also, in the core, another key factor is radiolysis, which compounds the chemistry, and then electrochemical potential. (Corrosion after all is electrochemical or galvanic).

Finally, the driver between corrosion of the fuel materials, primarily the cladding is the heat flux and temperature.

Of course, the above discussion refers to water reactor systems.


Liquid metal systems have their perculiar issues with respect to element dissolution which changes the surface characteristics of alloys, and then redepostion elsewhere.

Noble gas coolants are chemically inert, but CO2 has it's perculiarities depeding on the fuel system.
 
  • #33
edpell said:
What features do you want in a new nuclear reactor design?

I would like a plant that includes a financial insurance feature to compensate all costs related to it's worst possible failure mode. If the plant design is safe enough, then such insurance should be feasible.

Our current practice of running without insurance places a tremendous and inequitable burden on the public relative to their proximity to the plant.
 
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swl said:
I would like a plant that includes a financial insurance feature to compensate all costs related to it's worst possible failure mode. If the plant design is safe enough, then such insurance should be feasible.

I'm pretty sure every insurance policy on anything has a maximum payout. In other words, nothing is insured for it's 'worst possible failure mode.'

Our current practice of running without insurance places a tremendous and inequitable burden on the public relative to their proximity to the plant.


If you want to see a real burden on the public, try living downwind from a big dirt-burner. And, they don't compensate the thousands who die each year from the respiratory consequences of the normal plant operation, let alone its failure modes.

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