Medical New Study: Roundup could be linked to health issues

  1. Greg Bernhardt

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    Anyone find themselves going more organic these days?

    Glyphosate’s Suppression of Cytochrome P450 Enzymes and Amino Acid Biosynthesis by the Gut Microbiome: Pathways to Modern Diseases
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  3. Monique

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    If it is an important finding, why is it published in a journal with a (very) low impact factor of 1.183? And why in the journal Entropy and not something related to the field of study? Maybe it's a conclusion that's already widely published, or their conclusions are not supported enough? With such a publication I'm skeptical.
  4. turbo

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    For years. When my wife and I bought this property, we rehabilitated that expanse of clay and rock (garden) that the previous owner had sprayed relentlessly. Since then, I have bucketed in and tilled cow manure and compost into the soil. No pesticides nor herbicides.

    If there are bugs we deal with them manually, if there are weeds, we pull them. We try to keep this property as welcome to birds as possible, so they will help with the bugs. A pair of common yellow throats will eat a LOT of bugs, so we don't have to pick them off. It's so nice to see the birds patrolling the tomato and pepper plants, eating the insect pests. Phoebes also do a bang-up job on flying insects - especially when their nestlings are hungry.

    We tend not to buy organic produce, since it is expensive and there is no way to verify that the vegetables are truly organic, but we save as much produce as we can in our chest freezers, and I can (preserve) stuff like tomatoes and other vegetables that don't freeze well. Need onions, green peppers, jalapenos, green beans, etc? Head right for the freezers. Need tomatoes for sauces? Head for the pantry. No need to buy them at the store. It has worked out really well. We grow a lot of garlic, and it keeps well in our cold cellar. Root vegetables (carrots, beets, etc) don't keep as well, so we have seasonal ups and downs with those, but that's OK.
  5. Evo

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    I'm also skeptical

    Viewing Stephanie Seneff's page, she's a Computer Scientist. Her co-author is a retired consultant on environmental issues.

    From her page
  6. I call BS - Roundup is supposed to cause all of these?

    there is no actual research in the paper - no double blind studies, just conjecture and pasting together a data from bunch of dubious sources

  7. Studies like this make me believe "organicism" is a psuedoscience. They already have predetermined conclusions (organic = good, anything non-organic = poison) and they warp their evidence accordingly.

    Their deliberate bypassing of any worthwhile peer review makes me suspect this was mostly for the consumption of the scientifically illiterate masses, who see a very real looking study and assume this is the real deal.
  8. russ_watters

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    On the other hand, I'd expect all pesticides/herbicides to be harmful to my health, which is why I would wash my food before eating it...

    Please don't turn to the Dark Side, Greg. I don't care if they have cookies, it's a trap!
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2013
  9. Greg Bernhardt

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    Yeah I always wonder how to wash produce or is a quick rinse with water good enough?
  10. Monique

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    I always wash it thoroughly. Organically-grown produce, rice and pulses as well. You don't know how it was grown or who touched it. There have been cases of food poisoning from parsley contaminated with salmonella or E. coli. Things like lemons I always wash with a scourer and detergent when I want to zest it.
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2013
  11. Integral

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    I buy only organic food and stay strictly away from inorganic food.

    I have gotten some strange looks from the produce dept when I ask after the inorganic bananas!
  12. A lot of recent studies indicate that the surfactant used in Roundup is much more toxic than the glyphosate.

    It is called an inert ingredient because it doesn't perform any chemical function when it comes to killing weeds. It certainly isn't inert.


    Bear in mind that Monsanto's studies were done in the 1990's. There are more and more much recent studies.
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2013
  13. Evo

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    Oh dear, I'm going to have to stop drinking it.
  14. Did you bother to download and read the entire 48 page PDF. The scientific illiterate masses wouldn't be capable of understanding it. What was published in Entropy was a study that contained information gathered by a compilation of a number of studies.
  15. lisab

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