Newtonian vs Special Relativity: Arguments Against Special Rel

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The discussion centers on arguments against special relativity, exploring the validity of Newtonian relativity in comparison. It touches on historical, sociological, and psychological aspects of the debate, rather than focusing solely on technical physics arguments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks arguments supporting Newtonian relativity over special relativity.
  • Another participant asserts that there are no valid arguments against special relativity, suggesting that incorrect arguments stem from a refusal to accept aspects of it or from flawed calculations.
  • A historical perspective is introduced, noting that there was doubt about special relativity in the early 20th century, particularly due to sociopolitical factors, including campaigns against it by the Nazis.
  • Concerns are raised about the motivations behind contemporary criticisms of relativity, with some participants suggesting that elements of racism may influence these arguments.
  • Some irrational reasons for opposing relativity are proposed, including moral relativism and a desire to appear intellectually superior by disproving Einstein.
  • A participant humorously speculates that some arguments against relativity may be akin to assignments given to law students to defend absurd positions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity of arguments against special relativity, with some asserting that no rational basis exists for such arguments, while others acknowledge the presence of various criticisms, albeit often irrational or motivated by external factors.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects a mix of historical context and contemporary sociopolitical influences on the perception of special relativity, with no consensus on the validity of arguments against it.

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I am trying to find any type of argument against special relativity. for example, why would someone think believe that Newtonian relativity is more valid than special relativity?
 
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There's no valid argument for that. Incorrect arguments are either just refusals to accept some aspect of SR, or incorrect calculations that if they had been correct would have proved that SR is inconsistent.
 
Are you interested in physics, history, or sociology? Historically, there was surely some doubt about SR ca. 1905-1915. The Nazis carried out a campaign of ridicule against "Jewish" science, including relativity. There are kooks today who insist that relativity is all wrong. If you're talking about physics as opposed to sociology or history, then there is no serious argument to be made today that Galilean relativity is more valid than SR.
 
Sadly, there are a lot of websites, papers and other stuff published that attack relativity. Most of these always refer to it as 'Einstein's' relativity, which makes me wonder if there isn't an element of racism motivating the ( crackpot) 'refutations'.

There's certainly no rational reason.
 
Racism might play a part, but I think it is a small part. The racist idiots tend to use the argument that relativity isn't Einstein's idea, and that none of his 1905 papers are.

(Irrational) reasons to argue against relativity:
  • Moral relativism is absolutely wrong. Therefore any form of relativism is wrong. Therefore relativity is wrong.
  • "If I can show that Einstein was wrong then I must be smarter than Einstein."
  • Making ridiculous claims makes some people think they are edgy.
  • Lawyer training? I swear that the re-vamped flat Earth society web page was created just for lawyers-in-training. I can just see the class assignment: "Defend the notion that the Earth is flat. Here is the website where you can do that: ..." Perhaps some of them have edged over to refuting relativity.
 

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