News No More Pres. Bush: 2004 Election & His Tax Cut

[Mattius_]

Alright, time to get you people in line... First off if anyone wants to read economic books b4 posting something on a tax cut that would be great... turtle your jumping to a conclusion, a stupid conclusion at that. 26% of our gross domestic product comes from the top 1% of our population... This new tax cut averages at 67$ for joe sixpack on the corner and 90,000 dollars for joe millionaire... knowing that, this tax cut clearly relieves our richest from the overwhelming financial burden which is already upon him.

here is what happens in your tax ideal

1. rich taxed
2. poor become richer due to rich taxed
3. rich are not in capacity to expand there own endeavors because of financial burden of taxing and thus cannot create 500 new jobs at a factory they wanted to build
4. poor temporarily have money but economy halts...
5. poor can't find jobs
6. rich taxed furthermore
7. cycle continues...

ofcourse an oversimplification and YES i do see some advantages to giving the poor money but definitely not at the expense of the rich.

this is capitalism turtle, the rich need not to be restrained... if you want a heavy welfare state, go to europe, see what happens when socialism is the principal.

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as for the death of the democratic party i do not believe this will happen because we have an estimated 12 million illegal aliens in the USA and i do believe that the republicans will amnestize them soon so that they can tax them... after being amnestized, the minorities will undoubtably vote democratic as most minorities do...

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Mattius_

3. rich are not in capacity to expand there own endeavors because of financial burden of taxing and thus cannot create 500 new jobs at a factory they wanted to build

Well, thanks for your progressive attitudes towards 'minorities'...


And thanks for pointing out teh flaw in the tax-cut reasoning! We already had a huge tax cut for the rich, and what happened? 2 million lost jobs under Bush. That 'tax burden' isn't what is stoppingthem from expanding, trust me. Oh, and I guess the Nobel Prize-winning economists who are agaisnt the tax cut should read some books too?

 

[Mattius_]

well zero you certainly do enjoy asserting that i am not open to the the perspective that you have presented but the fact is that i am aware that many people see a plausible lower class economic stimulas and i am also aware that some of these people are educated more so than me.

and I am sorry if you took my amensty hypothesis as stereotypical and/or deurogatory but the statistics show that minorities vote democratic by a large scale...

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Mattius_
well zero you certainly do enjoy asserting that i am not open to the the perspective that you have presented but the fact is that i am aware that many people see a plausible lower class economic stimulas and i am also aware that some of these people are educated more so than me.

and I am sorry if you took my amensty hypothesis as stereotypical and/or deurogatory but the statistics show that minorities vote democratic by a large scale...

Well..ok. Darn you are polite! Anyhoo, rich people look to shelter their income from taxes anyways, which should count as a big enough tax break already. A good healthy living wage for everyone would do more good than any tax cut...and would be an action on the part of business that would warrant a compensatory tax cut, don't you think?

BTW, your attitude towards immigrants, illegal or not, strikes me as being vaguely racist, just so you know. Wouldn't it be better for everyone to try to avoid even teh impresion of racism?

 

[Mattius_]

Yes i do think that racism is LARGELY over-sensatized right now but i think that it is only natural... At my school i turned a paper into my ethnic studies teacher(inherent socialist/democrat) and she inferred that i was racist because i confronted the issue of immigration in a more frank manner than what she considered was acceptable...

in my opinion, most sensative race definitives only add to the division of race by striking out at the people who want to get things done... so to anyone who strongly believes that i am racist by reading 1 sentence i shall remark, kiss my donkey...

btw i am not pointing my finger at you zero...

 

[Zero]

The race thing is off-topic...(but, if people keep telling you that you might be racist...try to err on the side of caution next time, ok? If you have anything else to say on this, start a different thread, or catch me in a PM, ok?)

 

[Mattius_]

lol funny censor... i wonder what i would say for **** , **** , or bastard hehehe

 

[LogicalAtheist]

The implication that pure racism is purposeless would probably be correct. However actualistic racism is a very positive outlook. It serves purpose on many levels, and is a very succesfull way of viewing a population from the terms of safety issues, which is important in regards to the illegal immigrant problem.

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by LogicalAtheist
The implication that pure racism is purposeless would probably be correct. However actualistic racism is a very positive outlook. It serves purpose on many levels, and is a very succesfull way of viewing a population from the terms of safety issues, which is important in regards to the illegal immigrant problem.

Off-topic, bud...

 

[schwarzchildradius]

Mattius, I like your style of analysis. You're right, it is capitalism, folks. States are already raising fees and levying taxes, while laying people off. It's what- a service economy? Here's what will happen a-la Mattius's progression:

1) rich and not-rich (defined as <3E5$)invest in big movers like Worldcom and Bechtel. Investment income soars.
2) burden for infrastructure maintenance (teachers, all govt employees&contracts) shifted to state level, paid for by such fees as vehicle registration and minimum wage overtime. Government cuts funds to "non-essential" components s/a EPA, and internal security.
3) Government debt soars! Interest on debt wipes out national wealth.
4) Stock market plundered by Worldcom and Bechtel. Joke on Saturday night Live is not funny.
5) World Bank fails! Distribution centers in 3rd world countries controlled by al-Qaeda.

Muhallo

 

[LogicalAtheist]

Originally posted by Turtle
In the 2004 election I hope Pres.Bush does not win. His tax-cut would only benefit the weathly. He is not for all americans ie. his support of senator santorium. When it comes to his campaign Bush will use the murder of people on 9-11 for his own good.

Bushes tax cut will benefit the wealthy more, and the democrats will benefit the poor.

I am in the "wealthy" category. You must be in the poor, or average. You won't ever get a democratic president in those two parties. Look for a runner who wants a flat tax % for all. Obviously, it's the only way to be "fair" as they say.

Also, I don't think that Bush will be able to use the war in Iraq in his favor too much, as he did not kill Saddam Hussein, so current news says anyways.

It all depends on who he runs against. Believe me, both major opponents will be as nasty, ruthless, powerhungry, egomaniacal, and anti-humanitarian as ever...

 

[LogicalAtheist]

It's the nature of power, that one would seek to obtain power only to empower oneself.

It doesn't make sense that one could have such a drive to obtain power only to use it for others.

 

[Dissident Dan]

Originally posted by LogicalAtheist
It's the nature of power, that one would seek to obtain power only to empower oneself.

It doesn't make sense that one could have such a drive to obtain power only to use it for others.

I agree that it's the general nature of humanity to gain power for one's own sake, but I disagree with you when you say that it doesn't make sense to have asuch a drive to obtain power only to use it for others. There is a thing called conscience.

 

[BoulderHead]

Double 'D',
I took it to mean there's no such thing as altruism. In that context even the 'conscience' you spoke of shows that taking power is done with an inward focus.

 

[FZ+]

Originally posted by BoulderHead
Double 'D',
I took it to mean there's no such thing as altruism. In that context even the 'conscience' you spoke of shows that taking power is done with an inward focus.

Hmm... But I think there is a difference between power to beget power, and power to eventually benefit the self. I think that power alone without the application of power is useless. In fact, it does not make sense to gain power only to continue the road for more power, if at one point you do not gain some benefit, even indirectly, from it. Not everyone wants to be powerful...

 

[Zero]

You guys are going pretty far afield on this...

 

[schwarzchildradius]

I've got something - if you want to see some real cracks at the whole administration, type "wayne madsen" into google. Hey, I'll do it for you:
wayne madsen

 

[Sting]

Okay, for those of you who wish to discuss racism, discuss it here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2562

This is to avoid getting off topic in this thread.

 

[Ganshauk]

What an idiotic statement.

I think the democratats,if they win,will assuredly spark WWIII. We will all be little fried Americans, radiating enough energy to light up LA.

The democrats want to tax the living sh*t out of all of us. They only give lip service to the poor. Their real aim is to subjugate us all with oppression, to tax us so hard we become subsistant upon the government, unable to live w/o the handouts of OUR OWN MONEY that it agrees to give. The democratic party seeks to enslave us as assuredly they enslaved the Africans of the last century - yes, the dixiecrats are the progenitors of the modern democratic party!

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Ganshauk
What an idiotic statement.

I think the democratats,if they win,will assuredly spark WWIII. We will all be little fried Americans, radiating enough energy to light up LA.

The democrats want to tax the living sh*t out of all of us. They only give lip service to the poor. Their real aim is to subjugate us all with oppression, to tax us so hard we become subsistant upon the government, unable to live w/o the handouts of OUR OWN MONEY that it agrees to give. The democratic party seeks to enslave us as assuredly they enslaved the Africans of the last century - yes, the dixiecrats are the progenitors of the modern democratic party!

OK, now pull the other one.

 

[schwarzchildradius]

The democrats want to tax the living sh*t out of all of us. They only give lip service to the poor. Their real aim is to subjugate us all with oppression, to tax us so hard we become subsistant upon the government, unable to live w/o the handouts of OUR OWN MONEY

NO! The military contractors will be mooching off of OUR tax money with no limit. YOU think this is about democrats vs. republicans but it is not. It's just about naked exploitation and lies to cover theft. If you're making up to 13 bucks an hour, you don't get no $1000/child credit so vaunted by our glorious leader.
You must know that Republicans are more notorious for raising taxes than any other group except communists.

 

[FZ+]

It seems interesting that the only defence we have for the president is irrational fear as to what the democrats would do. Speaks a lot about the two party system...

 

[schwarzchildradius]

Two WHAT system?

 

[Zero]

You know what two parties!

The radical fundamentalist Christian Republicans, and the centrist republicans who we currently call 'democrats'.