No Positive Integer Solution for $4xy - x - y = z^2$

In summary, the conversation discusses the challenge of finding a solution to the equation $4xy-x-y=z^2$ with positive integer values. The speaker mentions that the solution must meet certain conditions, and that the mistake in the solution can be easily detected. They also mention the use of modular arithmetic and clarify that solutions may not always exist for negative numbers. Finally, the speaker asks about a solution for a different equation.
  • #1
kaliprasad
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show that the equation $4xy - x - y = z^2$ has no positive integer solution
 
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  • #2
I decided in the General form:
It's pretty old equations that are solved by Euler.
the equation:

\(\displaystyle aXY+X+Y=Z^2\)

If we use the solutions of Pell's equation: \(\displaystyle p^2-acs^2=\pm1\)

Solutions can be written:

\(\displaystyle X=\pm(c+1)s^2\)

\(\displaystyle Y=\pm(c+1)cs^2\)

\(\displaystyle Z=ps(c+1)\)

\(\displaystyle c\) - We ask ourselves. While the formula and can be written differently.

Equation: \(\displaystyle p^2-4cs^2=-1\) has no solutions.
Because : \(\displaystyle \frac{p^2+1}{4}\) may not be an integer.
 
  • #3
individ said:
I decided in the General form:
It's pretty old equations that are solved by Euler.
the equation:

\(\displaystyle aXY+X+Y=Z^2\)

If we use the solutions of Pell's equation: \(\displaystyle p^2-acs^2=\pm1\)

Solutions can be written:

\(\displaystyle X=\pm(c+1)s^2\)

\(\displaystyle Y=\pm(c+1)cs^2\)

\(\displaystyle Z=ps(c+1)\)

\(\displaystyle c\) - We ask ourselves. While the formula and can be written differently.

Equation: \(\displaystyle p^2-4cs^2=-1\) has no solutions.
Because : \(\displaystyle \frac{p^2+1}{4}\) may not be an integer.

Because it is a challenge question complete solution is required
 
  • #4
And what answer do not like? The formula is. What problems?
 
  • #5
kaliprasad said:
show that the equation $4xy - x - y = z^2$ has no positive integer solution
if $xy=0$ then the solutions will be :
$(x,y,z)$=(0,$-k^2$,$\pm k)$
or$ (x,y,z)$=($-k^2$,0,$\pm k)$
(here $k \in Z$) has no positive solution
if $xy\neq 0$ then $4xy-x-y$ can not be prime
we set $xy=p---(1)$
and $x+y=q--(2)$ then
$4p-q=2(2p-\dfrac {q}{2})=z^2$
$\therefore z=2 $ and $2p-\dfrac{q}{2}=2$
or $q=4m,p=m+1\,(m\in N)$
put $q=4m,$ and $p=m+1$ to (1)and (2)we get:
$y=2m\pm \sqrt {4m^2-m-1}$ $\notin N$
and the proof is done
 
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  • #6
Not the correct solution.
The condition for which solutions need to come from the solution, not the solution of the conditions that we want to impose.
Very often many so decide.
Your mistake is easily detected if you need to find a solution to the equation:

\(\displaystyle aXY-X-Y=Z^2\)

How do You then the solution of this equation can find?
 
  • #7
$4xy-x - y = z^2$

multiply by 4 and add 1 on both sides

$16xy-4x - 4y + 1 = 4z^2+ 1$

hence
$(4x-1)(4y-1) = 4z^2+ 1$

let p be a prime divisor of 4x- 1

$(2z)^2 \equiv - 1 \, mod\, p$

as per Fermats Little theorem

$(2z)^{p-1} \equiv 1 \, mod\, p$

hence
$(2z)^{p-1} \equiv (2z^2)^{\frac{p-1}{2}}\, mod\, p\equiv (-1)^{\frac{p-1}{2}} \equiv 1\, mod\, p $

hence $ p \equiv 1 \,mod\,4$
hence all factors of 4x -1 are of the form 4y+1 which is a contradiction

so no solution
 
  • #8
Leave the rest of modular arithmetic.
Should equation to solve.
You generally solutions not, and they are when the number is negative.
I asked about the decision not such equation, and such?

\(\displaystyle aXY-X-Y=Z^2\)
 
  • #9
individ said:
Leave the rest of modular arithmetic.
Should equation to solve.
You generally solutions not, and they are when the number is negative.
I asked about the decision not such equation, and such?

\(\displaystyle aXY-X-Y=Z^2\)

The above is partial information and does not contain any details and hence it is irreverent
 
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Related to No Positive Integer Solution for $4xy - x - y = z^2$

1. What is the equation "4xy - x - y = z^2" called?

The equation "4xy - x - y = z^2" is called a Diophantine equation, named after the ancient Greek mathematician Diophantus who studied these types of equations.

2. Are there any positive integer solutions for this equation?

No, there are no positive integer solutions for this equation. This has been proven through various mathematical methods, including modular arithmetic and number theory.

3. Can you explain why there are no positive integer solutions?

The main reason why there are no positive integer solutions for this equation is because it is a type of equation known as a "congruent number problem". These types of equations are notoriously difficult to solve and have been an area of study for mathematicians for centuries.

4. Are there any negative integer solutions for this equation?

Yes, there are infinitely many negative integer solutions for this equation. Some examples include (-1, 1, 0), (-2, 1, 1), and (-3, 2, 3). However, there are no positive integer solutions for this equation.

5. Can this equation be solved for non-integer values?

Yes, this equation can be solved for non-integer values. In fact, there are infinite real number solutions for this equation. However, when the requirement for solutions to be positive integers is added, there are no solutions.

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