Noether and the derivative of the Action

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the Action in physics and Noether's theorem, highlighting that the Action possesses units of Energy·time or Momentum·position. It is established that the derivative of the Action with respect to time yields Energy, while the derivative with respect to spatial coordinates yields Momentum, confirming their status as Noether conserved quantities. The conversation also touches on the implications of the Lagrangian's independence from time and spatial coordinates, asserting that this independence leads to the conservation of energy and momentum, respectively.

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I know that the Action has units Energy·time or Momentum·position. A second fact is that the derivative of the action with respect to time is Energy and similar with momentum-position, consistent with a units ie. dimensions check.Is it a coincidence that both are Noether conserved quantities? For example will the derivative of the Action with respect to phase be electric charge?
 
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Angular momentum is a conserved quantity, but action is not though the both has same dimension.
 
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nemuritai said:
I know that the Action has units Energy·time or Momentum·position. A second fact is that the derivative of the action with respect to time is Energy and similar with momentum-position, consistent with a units ie. dimensions check. Is it a coincidence that both are Noether conserved quantities?
If the Lagrangian is independent of time then energy is conserved. And, if it is indepenent of a spatial coordinate, then momentum in that direction is conserved. I don't see that as a coincidence.
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For example will the derivative of the Action with respect to phase be electric charge?
I don't understand this question.
 
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It's of course not a coincidence, because if the Lagrangian doesn't depend on some coordinate ##q## (but only its generalized velocity ##\dot{q}##), then the canonical momentum is conserved for the solutions of the equation of motion, i.e., it is a conserved quantity:
$$p_q=\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{q}} \; \Rightarrow \; \dot{p}_q = \frac{\partial L}{\partial q}=0.$$
This canonical momentum is the generator of a symmetry (Noether's theorem).
 
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