MHB Noetherian Modules: Direct Sums & Bland Proposition 4.2.7

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The discussion centers on understanding the proof of Proposition 4.2.7 from Paul E. Bland's "Rings and Their Modules," specifically regarding the short exact sequence involving direct sums of Noetherian modules. Participants clarify that the R-module homomorphisms in the sequence are indeed straightforward, with the inclusion and projection mappings being canonical. They confirm that the sequence is exact at all relevant points, reinforcing that if each module \( M_i \) is Noetherian, then their direct sum is also Noetherian through an induction argument. The conversation highlights the importance of establishing the exactness of the sequence to validate the proposition. Overall, the exchange emphasizes the clarity needed in understanding module properties in the context of exact sequences.
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I am reading Paul E. Bland's book, "Rings and Their Modules".

I am focused on Section 4.2: Noetherian and Artinian Modules and need some further help to fully understand the proof of part of Proposition 4.2.7 ... ...

Proposition 4.2.7 reads as follows:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/8209In the above proof, when Bland is dealing with the converse, we read the following:

" ... ... Then the short exact sequence

$$0 \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i \longrightarrow M_n \longrightarrow 0$$ ... ... "Now I understand the induction argument that Bland goes on to talk about ... but we need to establish that the sequence of modules given is indeed a short exact sequence ... so ... some questions follow ... ... When an author gives a short exact sequence such as

$$0 \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i \longrightarrow M_n \longrightarrow 0$$

is he/she implying that the R-linear mappings (R-module homomorphisms ...) involved are obvious ... ?If that is the case then what are the obvious R-module homomorphisms in the case of

$$0 \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i \stackrel{ f }{ \longrightarrow } \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i \stackrel{ g }{ \longrightarrow } M_n \longrightarrow 0$$

and how does $$\text{ I am } f = \text{ Ker } g$$ ...Peter
 
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Yes, you can assume that the R-maps are obvious, in this case;

$f = j_{n-1}$ is the inclusion $\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i$

and $g = p_n$ is the projection $\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i \longrightarrow M_n$

Of course $p_n \circ j_{n-1} = 0$, so jou have to prove that $\text{ker } p_n \subset \text{im } j_{n-1}$

Recall Example 6 p.47, before you go further.
 
steenis said:
Yes, you can assume that the R-maps are obvious, in this case;

$f = j_{n-1}$ is the inclusion $\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i$

and $g = p_n$ is the projection $\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i \longrightarrow M_n$

Of course $p_n \circ j_{n-1} = 0$, so jou have to prove that $\text{ker } p_n \subset \text{im } j_{n-1}$

Recall Example 6 p.47, before you go further.
Thanks Steenis ...

Appreciate your help and guidance...

Peter
 
steenis said:
Yes, you can assume that the R-maps are obvious, in this case;

$f = j_{n-1}$ is the inclusion $\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i$

and $g = p_n$ is the projection $\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i \longrightarrow M_n$

Of course $p_n \circ j_{n-1} = 0$, so jou have to prove that $\text{ker } p_n \subset \text{im } j_{n-1}$

Recall Example 6 p.47, before you go further.
Consider ...

$$0 \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i \stackrel{ f }{ \longrightarrow } \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i \stackrel{ g }{ \longrightarrow } M_n \longrightarrow 0$$

We have $$f \equiv j_{ n - 1 } \ : \ \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i$$

where $$j_{ n - 1 } ( x_1, x_2, \ ... \ ... \ , x_{ n-1 } ) = ( x_1, x_2, \ ... \ ... \ , x_{ n-1 } , 0 )$$

... note that $$j_{ n - 1 }$$ is a canonical injection ( see Bland page 39)
$$g \equiv p_n \ : \ \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i \longrightarrow M_n $$

where $$p_n ( x_1, x_2, \ ... \ ... \ , x_n ) = x_n $$

... note that $$p_n$$ is a canonical projection ( see Bland page 39) Now ... $$\text{ I am } f = \text{ I am } j_{ n - 1 } = M_1 \times M_2 \times \ ... \ ... \ M_{ n-1 } \times 0$$

and

$$\text{ Ker } g = \text{ Ker } p_n = = M_1 \times M_2 \times \ ... \ ... \ M_{ n-1 } \times 0$$... so ... $$\text{ I am } f = \text{ Ker } g$$Hence $$0 \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i \longrightarrow M_n \longrightarrow 0$$

is a short exact sequence ...
Is that correct?

Peter
 
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Yes, that is correct, because $j_{n-1}$ is injective en $p_n$ is surjective.

But you are not ready yet.
 
steenis said:
Yes, that is correct, because $j_{n-1}$ is injective en $p_n$ is surjective.

But you are not ready yet.
I assume that when you say: "But you are not ready yet." ... that you mean I need to show that the sequence ...$$0 \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i \stackrel{ j_{ n - 1} }{ \longrightarrow } \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i \stackrel{ p_n }{ \longrightarrow } M_n \stackrel{ s }{ \longrightarrow } 0$$... is not only exact at $$\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i$$ (which I have shown ... ) ... but .. is also exact at $$\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i$$ and at $$M_n$$ ... ... Is that correct ...?If that is correct then note that ...

$$\text{ Ker } j_{ n-1 } = (0, 0, \ ... \ ... \ , 0)$$ ($$n -1$$ elements) $$= \text{ I am } 0$$ ...

... and ...

$$\text{ I am } p_n = M_n = \text{ Ker } s$$ ...So ... $$0 \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i \stackrel{ j_{ n - 1} }{ \longrightarrow } \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i \stackrel{ p_n }{ \longrightarrow } M_n \stackrel{ s }{ \longrightarrow } 0$$... is an exact sequence ...Is that correct?

Peter
 
Yes it is correct. No it is not what I meant.

You still have to prove the proposition: if $M_i$ is noetherian then $\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i$ is noetherian.
 
steenis said:
Yes it is correct. No it is not what I meant.

You still have to prove the proposition: if $M_i$ is noetherian then $\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i$ is noetherian.
Hi Steenis ... thanks for your help ...

I was happy with Bland's proof ... but anyway ...To prove ... if $M_i$ is Noetherian then $\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i$ is Noetherian.Assume each $$M_i$$ is Noetherian ...Now enter induction process ...

We have that $\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ 1 } M_i = M_1 $ is Noetherian ...

Assume that $$\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ m } M_i$$ is Noetherian for each integer $$n$$ such that $$1 \lt m \lt n$$ ...

Then in the short exact sequence ...

$$0 \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i \longrightarrow \bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i \longrightarrow M_n \longrightarrow 0$$ we have

$$\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n-1 } M_i$$ is Noetherian because of the assumption in the induction process ...

... and ...

$$M_n$$ is Noetherian by assumption ...

so that $$\bigoplus_{ i = 1 }^{ n } M_i$$ is Noetherian by Corollary 4.2.4 ...Thus the induction process gives us our desired result ...Is that correct?

Peter
 
Yes that is correct. I am sorry Peter, I thought it was an exercise. I didnot sleep good this night.
 
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steenis said:
Yes that is correct. I am sorry Peter, I thought it was an exercise. I didnot sleep good this night.
That is OK, Steenis ...

Good exercise anyway ... :) ...

Sorry that you didn't sleep well ...

Thanks again for your help ... it is much appreciated...

Peter
 

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