Non-Commutative Angular Momentum, and Muonium

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The discussion focuses on the non-commutative nature of angular momentum operators, specifically [Lx, Ly], and the calculation of the center of mass for a muonium atom. The user correctly identifies the angular momentum operators as Lx = -ih(y * d/dz - z * d/dy) and Ly = -ih(z * d/dx - x * d/dz) but struggles with the non-commutativity, expecting a zero result from their calculations. The expected outcome, as noted from Wikipedia, is ihLz. Additionally, the user seeks guidance on calculating the center of mass for a muonium atom, which consists of an electron and a muon, with respective masses of 0.511 MeV/c² and 105.6 MeV/c².

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We are doing several things in my physics class that I really do not understand, and I would really appreciate it if someone could help me.

First:

I do not understand the non-commutivity of angular momentum in the case of [Lx,Ly]. I understand how to arrive at the values of Lx = -ih(y * d/dz - z * d/dy) and Ly = -ih(z * d/dx - x * d/dz), but I do not understand how these values do not commute.

For instance, as far as I understand, [Lx,Ly] = (Lx* Ly) - (Ly *Lx) = -h2( (y * d/dz - z * d/dy)(z * d/dx - x * d/dz) - (z * d/dx - x * d/dz)(y * d/dz - z * d/dy). However, whenever I multiply all these values out, I get an answer of zero, meaning that the values do commute, but I know that they are not supposed to. Wikipedia lists the final answer as ihLz, but the steps are not shown and I have no idea how they got that answer. All other online searches have proven equally fruitless for the steps involved. I'm just lost as to how to get that answer.

Second:

One of our problems involved finding the center of mass in a muonium atom. This atom is comprised of an electron, which has a mass of .511 MeV/c2, and a muon, which has a mass of 105.6 MeV/c2. I am utterly lost as to how to find the center of mass of this system, because it seems to me that you would have to know the radius between these two particles to find the center of mass. I realize this is not much information to go on, but I would greatly appreciate any help with these two problems.
 
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First: Remember that derivatives don't simply "multiply"; you have to use the product rule:

[tex]\left( y \frac{\partial}{\partial z} \right) \left( z \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\right) = y \frac{\partial z}{\partial z} \frac{\partial}{\partial x} + yz \frac{\partial^2}{\partial z \partial x} = y \frac{\partial}{\partial x} + yz \frac{\partial^2}{\partial z \partial x}[/tex]

So, the terms with mixed partials will cancel, but other terms will not.

Second:

Try looking up the derivation of the Bohr radius (can't remember it off the top of my head). You will probably find how it depends upon the masses of the proton and electron.
 

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