Non-homeomorphis between CP^4 and CP^2 x CP^2

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether the complex projective space ## \mathbb{CP}^4 ## is homeomorphic to the product space ## \mathbb{CP}^2 \times \mathbb{CP}^2 ##. Participants explore various methods for demonstrating the non-homeomorphism, including homology, cohomology, and cup products.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests computing the cohomology groups and using Kunneth's formula to analyze cup products as a method to show the spaces are not homeomorphic.
  • Another participant proposes that computing the Euler characteristics of the spaces may suffice, noting that ## \chi(\mathbb{CP^4})=5 ## and ## \chi(\mathbb{CP^2}\times \mathbb{CP^2})=9 ##, implying differing homology groups.
  • A later reply mentions that the homology of ## \mathbb{C}^4 ## has one generator in degree 2, while the product space has two, suggesting a difference in their topological structure.
  • One participant expresses a desire to review cup products and requests feedback on their work, indicating a focus on verifying calculations.
  • Another participant offers to check the work but admits to difficulties with hands-on computations, while providing insights into the graded rings of the cohomology groups for both spaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the methods to demonstrate the non-homeomorphism, with no consensus reached on a single approach. Some favor homology and Euler characteristics, while others advocate for cup products and cohomology calculations.

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Participants discuss various mathematical tools and concepts, such as Kunneth's formula and the structure of graded rings, without resolving the specific computations or assumptions involved in their arguments.

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Hi, I am trying to show that ## \mathbb CP^4 ## and ## \mathbb CP^2 \times \mathbb CP^2 ## are not homeomorphic. None of the standard methods --comparing the fundamental group of the product with the product
of fundamental groups, nor (co)homology seem to work. So I am trying to work with the cup products and
show these are different. Please let me know if this is correct: we need to compute the cohomology groups on
each side, and then we just compute all possible cup products using Kunneth's formula. Is this correct?
Thanks.
 
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Yeah computing all cup products by hand will certainly yield a proof but I don't think you need to do anything more complicated than compute the homology groups. The simplest idea that comes to mind is just to compute the Euler characteristics which we know are multiplicative so you only need to know the homology of \mathbb{C}P^4 and \mathbb{C}P^2. I believe this results in \chi(\mathbb{CP^4})=5 but \chi(\mathbb{CP^2}\times \mathbb{CP^2})=\chi(\mathbb{CP^2})\chi(\mathbb{C}P^2)=9 so the homology groups of these two spaces must differ.
 
Thanks, Terandol, you're right, that is a nice, simple solution. Still, I would like to review cup products; would you mind checking my work ?
 
without any computation, it seems naively that the homology of C^4 has one generator in degree 2, whereas the product space has two.
 
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WWGD said:
Still, I would like to review cup products; would you mind checking my work ?

I can take a look at your work if you would like but I'm probably the wrong person to ask about doing actual hands on computations...I usually completely mess it up the first few times I try.

It may be helpful to check your work to observe that as graded rings, H^{\bullet}(\mathbb{C}P^4,\mathbb{Z}) =\mathbb{Z[\alpha]}/(\alpha^5) and by the Kunneth formula H^{\bullet}(\mathbb{C}P^2\times\mathbb{C}P^2,\mathbb{Z})=\mathbb{Z}[\alpha]/(\alpha^3)\otimes_{\mathbb{Z}} \mathbb{Z}/(\alpha^3) (using the standard grading on the tensor product and where \alpha has degree 2 in both cases) so you can tell from this what all the cup products have to be.
 

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