Non-relativistic vs Ultra-relativistic

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The discussion revolves around the internal energies of gases in non-relativistic and ultra-relativistic regimes, exploring the mathematical derivation and implications of these energy expressions. It touches on concepts from statistical mechanics and their applications in calculating energy and pressure.

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  • One participant notes the internal energy for non-relativistic gases is E=3/2 kT, while for ultra-relativistic gases it is E=3kT, seeking a mathematical explanation or derivation.
  • Another participant suggests familiarity with statistical mechanics is necessary and outlines a method for averaging energy over possible states using a Boltzmann weighting factor, providing a mathematical expression for this process.
  • A further contribution discusses calculating pressure in the context of statistical mechanics, presenting a relationship involving number density and momentum, and deriving a general solution for pressure in the classical limit.
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Participants appear to agree on the mathematical framework needed for the discussion, but there is no consensus on the derivation details or implications of the energy expressions in different regimes.

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Just a quick question re internal energies for gas.

For non-relativistic, the usual value is E=3/2 kT for three degrees of freedom.
For ultra-relativistic, it is E=3kT.

Does anyone have a mathematical explanation for that, or a link to a derivation?
Thanks.
 
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You'll have to be familiar with statistical mechanics. You'll solve the problem by averaging the energy over possible states with a Boltzmann weighting factor.

<X> = \frac{\int X e^{-E/kT} d^3 p}{\int e^{-E/kT} d^3 p}

Energy E, momentum p, etc.

You can do this integral by going into spherical coordinates for the momentum, integrating out the angles, and using the appropriate expression for the total energy. In the general case, it's rather complicated, but in the nonrelativistic and ultrarelativistic limits, it's easier.

With the help of page 376 of Abramowitz and Stegun - Page index, I was able to find the appropriate integrals in the general case. For that, one substitutes
p = m*sinh(u)
E = m*cosh(u)
and then integrates with (9.6.24), giving

<E> = m\frac{K_4(x) - K_0(x)}{2(K_3(x) - K_1(x))}

where x = m/kT and the K's are modified Bessel functions of the second kind. A&S also gives some formulas for the K's for the large and small limits of x.
 
It's also interesting to calculate the pressure. In general,

P_{ij} = n <v_i p_j> = n<\frac{p_i p_j}{E}>

for number density n, which becomes

P_{ij} = P \delta_{ij} ,\ P = n<\frac{p^2}{3E}>

One can solve this case by integration by parts:

\int e^{-E/kT} \frac{p^2}{3E} p^2 dp = \frac13 \int e^{-E/kT} p^3 dE = kT \int e^{-E/kT} p^2 dp

yielding P = nkT as the general solution.

I've been working in the classical limit, of course.

You can find more details at Partition function (statistical mechanics) (Wikipedia)
 
Thank you very much. That gives me something to work from.
 

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