Normal modes of a string NEED HELP

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The discussion revolves around the normal modes of a string with one end fixed and the other end attached to a massless ring that can move vertically. The problem involves understanding the boundary conditions and the wave equation governing the string's motion.

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  • Participants explore the implications of different boundary conditions for a string fixed at one end and free to move at the other. Questions arise regarding how to express the boundary condition at the free end and how it affects the normal modes.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the boundary conditions, particularly the condition that the derivative of the displacement at the free end is zero. Some participants suggest that the original poster clarify their question regarding the nature of the movement at the free end, while others emphasize the need to show work before receiving further assistance.

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Participants note that the string's movement is restricted to vertical motion at the free end, which affects the boundary conditions compared to a string fixed at both ends. There is a call for the original poster to provide more details about their attempts to solve the problem.

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A string with one end fixed as U(x=0,t)=0. The other end is attached to a massless ring which moves frictionlessly along a rod at x=L
a) Explain the boundary condition at x=L should be d/dx U(x,t) = 0.
b) Find the normal modes for the wave equation d2/dt2 U(x,t) = c2 * d2/dx2 U(x,t) with the above boundary conditions.
c) Plot the three lowest frequency normal modes.
 
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Waves on a finite string; normal modes

Let's say there is a string that is tied down at its both ends (at x=0 and x=L).
In order to satisfy the wave equation:
a2u/at2=c2*a2u/ax2,
the boundary conditions must be that:
u(0,t)=u(L,t)=0 for all times t, where u(x,t) denotes the displacement of the string.
By substituting in a sinusoidal equation:
u(x,t)=X(x)cos(wt-del), into the original wave equation, we get a general solution:
X(x)=a*cos(kx)+b*sin(kx),
and to satisfy the initial boundary conditions, X(0)=X(L)=0, so the nontrivial solution becomes:
u(x,t)=sin(kx)A*cos(wt-del), with k=n*pi/L (n=1,2,3,...), and w=n*pi*c/L.
This is for a string with both of its ends tied down.
But what if at one side, x=L, the string is attached to a ring on a vertical rod(frictionless) so it may move up and down, how would the boundary conditions change? and the corresponding normal modes?
 
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suyoon said:
Let's say there is a string that is tied down at its both ends (at x=0 and x=L).
In order to satisfy the wave equation:
a2u/at2=c2*a2u/ax2,
the boundary conditions must be that:
u(0,t)=u(L,t)=0 for all times t, where u(x,t) denotes the displacement of the string.
By substituting in a sinusoidal equation:
u(x,t)=X(x)cos(wt-del), into the original wave equation, we get a general solution:
X(x)=a*cos(kx)+b*sin(kx),
and to satisfy the initial boundary conditions, X(0)=X(L)=0, so the nontrivial solution becomes:
u(x,t)=sin(kx)A*cos(wt-del), with k=n*pi/L (n=1,2,3,...), and w=n*pi*c/L.
This is for a string with both of its ends tied down.
But what if at one side, x=L, the string is free to move vertically (but not horizontally)?
How would the boundary conditions change? and the corresponding normal modes?

Then, [tex]\partial u/\partial x = 0[/tex] that is, derivate goes to zero. I think you will have no problem extracting eigen modes by yourself.
 


I think i made the question a little bit unclear.
what i meant by no horizontal movement is that the string may move up and down at just one end while the other end is still fixed.
so for the boundary condition, u(0,t) would still be 0, while u(L,t) will no longer be zero.
 
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suyoon said:
I think i made the question a little bit unclear.
what i meant by no horizontal movement is that the string may move up and down at just one end while the other end is still fixed.
so for the boundary condition, u(0,t) would still be 0, while u(L,t) will no longer be zero.

You are right that the u(L,t) won't be 0. But just as xlines has said,

[tex]\frac{\partial u(L,t)}{\partial x} = 0[/tex]
 
yea.. i get the fact that
[tex]\frac{\partial u(L,t)}{\partial x} = 0[/tex]
, but what's the boundary condition in order to satisfy this?
and the normal modes?
 
That is the boundary condition. You need to solve the partial differential equation to get the normal modes.
 
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nickjer said:
That is the boundary condition. You need to solve the partial differential equation to get the normal modes.

Yes, we do not do your work for you. Show us the differential equation, and your try at solving it.
 

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