Normal Vector for (x,y,z) Surface of f(x,y)

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The discussion revolves around the formula for a normal vector at a point on the surface defined by a function f(x,y). Participants are examining the validity and interpretation of the formula presented by the original poster.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster questions whether the provided formula represents a normal vector for the surface at a specific point. Some participants suggest corrections regarding notation and clarify the geometric interpretation of the surface and normal vector.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the normal vector and its derivation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the gradient of a function and the normal vector, as well as the process of deriving the tangent vector. There is no explicit consensus yet, as various aspects of the formula are still under discussion.

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There are indications of potential notation issues, such as the use of superscripts versus subscripts, which may affect clarity. The discussion also touches on the concept of level surfaces and their gradients.

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Homework Statement


My question is if this is the formula for a normal vector for the point (x,y,z) of a surface of some function f(x,y).

(x,y,z)+t(f[tex]_{x}[/tex],f[tex]_{y}[/tex],-1)


My teacher used it in class and I just wanted to know if it is what I think it is.

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Thank you.
 
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Those superscripts should be subscripts.
 
Your surface is (x,y,f(x,y)). Take a path in (x,y) plane: (x(s),y(s)) - s is the parameter along the path. The path on your surface is (x(s),y(s),f(x(s),y(s))). Differentiate at s=0, denote the derivative by a dot. You get for the tangent vector:

[tex]({\dot x},{\dot y},{f_x{\dot x}+f_y{\dot y})[/tex]

Take the scalar product with [tex](f_x,f_y,-1)[/tex] - you will get automatically 0. So you get a vector that is orthogonal to the surface. You may like to normalize its length - multiply by an appropriate number t, and then move it to the point on the surface (x,y,z=f(x,y)). The result is as in your formula.
 
If z= f(x,y), then we can think of the surface as a "level surface" for some function F(x, y, z)= f(x,y)- z. The gradient [itex]\nabla F= f_x\vec{i}+ f_y\vec{j}- \vec{k}[/itex] is always normal to a level surface and so is a normal vector for that surface.

What you have is the vector equation for a line perpendicular to the surface. For fixed t it gives a normal vector.
 

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