Normalisation Constant In Wavefunction

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The discussion revolves around the normalization constant in wavefunctions, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the normalization constant, its implications, and the significance of phase angles in wavefunctions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the normalization constant as $$|A|=\sqrt \frac{2}{L}$$ and questions the validity of including the phase factor $$e^{i\theta}$$ in the normalization constant.
  • Another participant asserts that the phase factor is arbitrary and can be set to 1, suggesting that using a different $$\theta$$ is acceptable if convenient.
  • A participant inquires about the physical meaning of the phase angle, leading to a discussion on the significance of phase differences rather than individual phase angles.
  • It is mentioned that when adding wavefunctions with different phase angles, the difference becomes physically significant.
  • One participant references the infinite potential well and discusses discrepancies in methods for deriving the normalization constant, noting that one method yields an extra phase while another does not.
  • Another participant clarifies that the normalization constant can be complex and that the integral should account for the complex conjugate, leading to a discussion about the equivalence of different methods used in calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the phase factor in the normalization constant and its physical implications. While some agree on the mathematical validity of including the phase factor, others question its relevance, indicating a lack of consensus on the matter.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference methods for calculating the normalization constant and discuss the implications of complex numbers in quantum mechanics. There are mentions of specific cases, such as the infinite potential well, but the discussion remains focused on the general principles of normalization and phase angles.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those studying wavefunctions and normalization procedures, may find this discussion relevant.

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normalisation constant
When doing the standard procedure for normalisation a wavefunction, I get $$|A|=\sqrt \frac{2}{L}$$ where A is the normalisation constant. It is mathematically correct to say that $$A=\sqrt \frac{2}{L} e^{i\theta}$$ but would this be a valid answer for the normalisation constant? In my lecture notes and in books, the ##e^{i\theta}## term is not included. I remember reading something about this once online, but I can't find the source. Thank you
 
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laser1 said:
but would this be a valid answer for the normalisation constant?

Yes.

laser1 said:
In my lecture notes and in books, the eiθ term is not included.

Because it's arbitrary, and can be set to 1. If you're a rebel you can use some other ##\theta\neq 0##. And sometimes people do, if it's convenient.
 
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weirdoguy said:
Yes.



Because it's arbitrary, and can be set to 1. If you're a rebel you can use some other ##\theta\neq 0##. And sometimes people do, if it's convenient.
What does the ##\theta## mean, physically? Or does it have no meaning other than mathematical.
 
laser1 said:
What does the ##\theta## mean, physically? Or does it have no meaning other than mathematical.
Phase angles are not physically significant but the difference between two phase angles is.
 
Nugatory said:
Phase angles are not physically significant but the difference between two phase angles is.
I don't follow.
 
laser1 said:
TL;DR Summary: normalisation constant

When doing the standard procedure for normalisation a wavefunction, I get $$|A|=\sqrt \frac{2}{L}$$ where A is the normalisation constant. It is mathematically correct to say that $$A=\sqrt \frac{2}{L} e^{i\theta}$$ but would this be a valid answer for the normalisation constant? In my lecture notes and in books, the ##e^{i\theta}## term is not included. I remember reading something about this once online, but I can't find the source. Thank you
Is this from the infinite potential well? As others have said, yes you can choose any ##e^{i\theta}## but this has no physical consequences (think of the measurement postulate, it depends on the absolute squared value ##|\psi|^2=|e^{i\theta}\psi|^2##).

There is some useful relation that you can prove. When your Hamiltonian is time-reversal symmetric, you can choose the eigenfunctions to be real.
 
laser1 said:
I don't follow.

##\theta## does not mean anything physically. But when you add two wavefunctions with different phase angles the difference of those becomes physically significant since: ##\vert e^{i\theta_1}\psi_1+ e^{i\theta_2}\psi_2\vert^2=\ldots## where dots represent something I wanted to write but I gave up, because I'm on my phone and writing lateX on your phone may kill you 💀 I leave that for you as an exercise. You'll se that there will be a term with difference of phase angles.
 
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pines-demon said:
Is this from the infinite potential well?
Yes.

Take, for example, the below wavefunction. With method 1, I get an extra phase. With method 2, I do not. (In method 2 I admit I forgot the negative root, but even so, that's only 2 values of theta, namely, 0, and pi.) Why does method 2 not yield that e^i term? Also, I realise this is kind of a "homework" question now so I might be in the wrong thread.

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laser1 said:
. With method 2, I do not.

You do if you realise that A is (or may be) complex. So in your integral there should be A*, and that yields |A|^2, and so on. Btw, both of your 'methods' are exactly the same, since |z|^2=zz*. You just wrote out different steps in left and right columns.
 
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