Assumptions made in stationary-state scattering

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The discussion revolves around the assumptions made in stationary-state scattering within quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the use of plane wave approximations and stationary-state solutions. Participants explore the implications of these approximations in scattering theory, addressing both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the physicality of plane wave approximations, noting that they do not normalize to unity and asking how this affects results in scattering scenarios.
  • There is a suggestion that plane wave approximations are valid when the incident waveform is significantly larger than the scatterer, but uncertainty remains about the conditions under which a scatterer would encounter such a wavefunction.
  • One participant proposes that incoming states can be considered as wave packets, and that scattering results can be derived from a superposition of plane wave solutions, with minimal differences expected for narrow wave packets in momentum space.
  • Another participant emphasizes that stationary-state solutions require a time-independent scattering potential, and mentions that wave packets can be expressed as superpositions of stationary states.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the meaning of "scattering result" and the implications of a scattering amplitude varying slowly with respect to the wave vector.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and implications of using plane wave approximations and stationary-state solutions in scattering theory. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which these approximations hold true.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about the normalization of wavefunctions, the nature of scattering potentials, and the representation of scattering outcomes, which may not be fully addressed.

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Hi all, I recently started learning about quantum scattering in school and came across a few things I find confusing. Thanks in advance for any assistance!

1. Plane wave approximation to incident waves.

In past QM courses, I kept reading that plane waves were not "physical" since they do not normalise to unity. As such, would using them as a mathematical description for incident waves affect results? I have read that such approximations are valid if the incident waveform is much larger than the scatterer, which i can picture. However, the positional spread of the wavefunction is equal at all points in space, under what conditions would an actual scatterer encounter such a wavefunction?

2. Stationary-state solutions

A stationary-state solution to a scattering Hamiltonian would mean that we are solving a problem in which "everything" (wavefunction of incident and scattered particle) looks the same everywhere, at all points in time. Again, what sort of scattering set-up would allow for such an approximation?
 
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WWCY said:
1. Plane wave approximation to incident waves.

In past QM courses, I kept reading that plane waves were not "physical" since they do not normalise to unity. As such, would using them as a mathematical description for incident waves affect results? I have read that such approximations are valid if the incident waveform is much larger than the scatterer, which i can picture. However, the positional spread of the wavefunction is equal at all points in space, under what conditions would an actual scatterer encounter such a wavefunction?
You can always consider that the incoming state is a wave packet. If you decompose it in terms of plane waves, then the result of the scattering will be a superposition of the solutions found for each plane wave, weighted by the proper coefficient. For most well-behaved potentials, the scattering result varies slowly as a function of the incoming wave vector, such that for a narrow enough wave packet in momentum space, there is no significant difference between the full solution and that obtained from a single plane wave corresponding to the peak of the wave packet.

WWCY said:
2. Stationary-state solutions

A stationary-state solution to a scattering Hamiltonian would mean that we are solving a problem in which "everything" (wavefunction of incident and scattered particle) looks the same everywhere, at all points in time. Again, what sort of scattering set-up would allow for such an approximation?
The scattering potential has to be independent of time. Otherwise, I don't think that there are any other considerations, as you can write the wave packet as a superposition of these stationary states.

You can also model the scattering process using time-dependent perturbation theory (see for instance the textbook by Sakurai).
 
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DrClaude said:
You can always consider that the incoming state is a wave packet. If you decompose it in terms of plane waves, then the result of the scattering will be a superposition of the solutions found for each plane wave, weighted by the proper coefficient. For most well-behaved potentials, the scattering result varies slowly as a function of the incoming wave vector, such that for a narrow enough wave packet in momentum space, there is no significant difference between the full solution and that obtained from a single plane wave corresponding to the peak of the wave packet.

Apologies, but I'm not sure I follow here. When you mention "scattering result", what do you mean by this? Also, what does it mean to "vary slowly" as a function of an incoming wave-vector?
 
WWCY said:
Apologies, but I'm not sure I follow here. When you mention "scattering result", what do you mean by this? Also, what does it mean to "vary slowly" as a function of an incoming wave-vector?
There are different ways to represent the outcome of a scattering event, but I was thinking specifically about the scattering amplitude ##f(\theta, \phi)##, which gives the angular distribution of the scattered particle and can be used to calculate the scattering cross section. In many cases, ##f(\theta, \phi)## is a function of the wave vector ##k##, but if that function is slowly varying with respect to ##k##, then the difference between the scattering of a plane wave of wave vector ##k## and a wave packet of width ##\delta k## centered on ##k## will be minimal.
 
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