Normalization of ground state "1/2hw"

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The discussion centers on the normalization of the ground state energy, specifically the term "1/2hw" associated with the harmonic oscillator in quantum field theory. Participants explore the implications of zero-point energy in free space, the challenges of renormalization, and the connection to cosmological issues such as dark energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to derive the result of integrated energy being 1/2hw in the context of fluctuation fields and box normalization.
  • Another participant explains that naive calculations lead to infinite ground-state energy and highlights the necessity of renormalization due to the nature of field operators in quantum field theory.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of zero-point energy in cosmology, particularly regarding the fine-tuning problem related to the Higgs boson and dark energy.
  • A participant notes that in free space, one can subtract zero-point energy without observable effects, as long as gravity is neglected.
  • There is a correction regarding the cosmological constant, with a participant clarifying that it is significantly smaller than naive quantum field theory predictions, contrary to an earlier misstatement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of zero-point energy and the challenges of normalization. There is no consensus on a straightforward method for normalizing the ground state energy in free space, and the discussion reflects ongoing debate about the relationship between quantum field theory and cosmological observations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their discussions, particularly regarding the mathematical rigor of operator valued distributions and the complexities introduced by gravity in cosmological contexts.

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Hello everyone:

I didn't have a complete view of the quantum field theory and cannot understand this question. We now there will always be fluctuation field in the universe which corresponds to the ground state energy 1/2hw of harmonic oscillator.

In the free space, we will use box normalization to plane wave. If this field is fluctuation field, the integrated energy should be 1/2hw. How to get this result?

Thanks
 
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Even in the box-regularized case you get an infinite ground-state energy when doing the calculation in a naive way. The reason for this failure is that the field operators in quantum field theory are operator valued distributions, which you cannot multiply in a mathematically rigorous way. That's why already at this stage you have to renormalize by subtracting the infinite zero-point energy. As long as you neglect gravity, there's no way to observe the absolute value of total energy. Only energy differences between different states of the system are observable quantities, and thus there's no problem in relativistic QFT with the infinite zero-point energy arising from the sloppy calculation of the operator of the total field energy (the Hamiltonian of the free fields in this case).

In cosmology, where General Relativity becomes important, there is a really big problem with this, because even when renormalizing the zero-point energy you need to adjust the corresponding parameters of the Standard model to an extreme accuracy. The reason is that the Higgs boson is a spin-0 field and it's mass is quadratically divergent. This is known as the fine-tuning problem. The question thus is not, why there is "dark energy" but why is it [itex]10^{120}[/itex] times smaller than expected. It's one of the least understood problems in contemporary physics. A famous review on this issue is

Weinberg, Steven: The cosmological constant problem, Rev. Mod. Phys. 61, 1, 1989
http://link.aps.org/abstract/RMP/V61/P1
 
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vanhees71 said:
Even in the box-regularized case you get an infinite ground-state energy when doing the calculation in a naive way. The reason for this failure is that the field operators in quantum field theory are operator valued distributions, which you cannot multiply in a mathematically rigorous way. That's why already at this stage you have to renormalize by subtracting the infinite zero-point energy. As long as you neglect gravity, there's no way to observe the absolute value of total energy. Only energy differences between different states of the system are observable quantities, and thus there's no problem in relativistic QFT with the infinite zero-point energy arising from the sloppy calculation of the operator of the total field energy (the Hamiltonian of the free fields in this case).

In cosmology, where General Relativity becomes important, there is a really big problem with this, because even when renormalizing the zero-point energy you need to adjust the corresponding parameters of the Standard model to an extreme accuracy. The reason is that the Higgs boson is a spin-0 field and it's mass is quadratically divergent. This is known as the fine-tuning problem. The question thus is not, why there is "dark energy" but why is it [itex]10^{120}[/itex] times larger than expected. It's one of the least understood problems in contemporary physics. A famous review on this issue is

Weinberg, Steven: The cosmological constant problem, Rev. Mod. Phys. 61, 1, 1989
http://link.aps.org/abstract/RMP/V61/P1

Thanks for your reply. Very advanced insight. :-).

So, there is no simple way to normalize out the 1/2hw in free space right?
 
In free space (as long as you consider only special relativity and thus no gravitation) you simply subtract the zero-point energy without any observable effect.
 
vanhees71 said:
The question thus is not, why there is "dark energy" but why is it [itex]10^{120}[/itex] times larger than expected.

This is backwards. The cosmological constant is 120 orders of magnitude smaller than the naive QFT calculation predicts.
 
LastOneStanding said:
This is backwards. The cosmological constant is 120 orders of magnitude smaller than the naive QFT calculation predicts.
Argh :-(. You are, of course, right. I corrected my sentence in the original posting. It must of course read:

The question thus is not, why there is "dark energy" but why is it 10120 times smaller than expected.
 

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