Normalizing a wave function - how the integration is done?

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The discussion revolves around the normalization of wave functions in quantum mechanics, specifically how to perform the integration of the probability density over a given volume. Participants explore different forms of wave functions, including sinusoidal and exponential forms, and the implications of these choices on the normalization process.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to integrate the probability density ##|\Psi|^2## to find the normalization factor ##\Psi_0##.
  • Another participant notes that the result of the integral depends on the chosen wave function, indicating that for a traveling plane wave, the probability density is constant, while for a standing wave, it varies.
  • A participant calculates the probability density for a plane wave and seeks confirmation on whether their calculation is correct, questioning the constancy of ##\Psi_0^2##.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriateness of integrating over different dimensions depending on the wave function's form, with one participant asking if a triple integral is necessary.
  • Concerns are raised about the physical realism of plane waves, with a participant stating that such waves cannot be normalized in the usual sense and suggesting that real-world wave functions must drop off at large distances.
  • Another participant questions how to modify a sinusoidal wave function to make it acceptable for quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the normalization process is dependent on the specific wave function chosen, but there is no consensus on how to modify wave functions for realistic scenarios in quantum mechanics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to normalization for different types of wave functions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the specific form of the wave function and the unresolved nature of how to appropriately modify wave functions to ensure physical realism in quantum mechanics.

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I have been searching for an anwser everywhere, but i can't seem to understand something. In this topic (you don't need to read it) i managed to find out that "we can calculate normalisation factor ##\Psi_0## of a wavefunction ##\Psi## if we integrate probability ##|\Psi|^2## over some volume and equate it to 1". Hence:

<br /> \int\limits_{V} |\Psi|^2 \, \textrm{d}V= 1<br />

Now how exactly do we integrate this? Please be specific, because in the post i linked to i got an anwser that the result of integration is

<br /> \int\limits_{V} |\Psi|^2 \, \textrm{d}V = |\psi_0|^2 V<br />

and i don't know how is this possible. Maybee my interpretation of this is wrong and this is why below i am supplying you with my interpretation.

My interpretation:
For the sake of clarity i will just choose some wave function for example ##\Psi = \Psi_0 \sin(\omega t - kx)##. I chose this as it is similar to an already known wave function of a sinusoidal wave ##A = A_0 \sin(\omega t - kx)## which i have been using allover wave physics. I don't know if i am allowed to choose the ##\Psi## like that because for now i don't know enough to know what i am alowed/not allowed to do in QM. If i understand this ##\Psi_0## in a vave function ##\Psi = \Psi_0 \sin(\omega t - kx)## is the normalisation factor i am seeking? (Please confirm this). So now i take an integral of the wavefunction and equate it to 1:

<br /> \begin{split}<br /> \int \limits^{}_{V} \left|\Psi \right|^2 \, \textrm{d} V &amp;= 1\\<br /> \int \limits^{}_{V} \big|\Psi_0 \sin (\omega t - kx) \big|^2 \, \textrm{d} V &amp;= 1\\<br /> &amp;\dots<br /> \end{split}<br />

I get lost at the spot where i wrote down "##\dots##". I really don't know how to get ##|\psi_0|^2 V## as a result of integration.
 
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Of course the answer you get depends on what wavefunction you start with. If, as in the thread you quoted, you choose ψ = ψ0 expi(kx - ωt), this is a traveling plane wave. Its probability density is |ψ|2 = ψ*ψ = ψ02 = const, so the integral gives you ψ02 V.

If, on the other hand you choose ψ = ψ0 sin(kx - ωt), this is a standing wave. Its probability density is ψ02 sin2(kx - ωt) which is not constant, and you'll get a different integral.
 
Bill_K said:
Of course the answer you get depends on what wavefunction you start with.
Yes i understand this.
Bill_K said:
|ψ|2 = ψ02
THIS is what i still am not certain of. If i try to calculate ##|\Psi| ^2## using ##\Psi = \Psi_0 e^{i(\omega t - kx)}## i get this:

<br /> |\Psi|^2 = \left| \Psi_0 e^{i(\omega t - kx)} \right| ^2 = \overline{\Psi} \Psi = \underbrace{\Psi_0 e^{-i(\omega t - kx)}}_{conjugate} \Psi_0 e^{i(\omega t - kx)} = {\Psi_0}^2 \frac{\Psi_0 e^{i(\omega t - kx)}}{\Psi_0 e^{i(\omega t - kx)}} = \Psi_0^2<br />

Is my calculation legit? Please confirm. And please tell me how do i know that ##\Psi_0^2## is a constant and i should therefore integrate it as such?
 
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Yes, that's correct. And a plane wave will have a constant amplitude, so ψ0 will be constant.
 
But how can i calculate integral for wave function ##\Psi = \Psi_0 \sin(\omega t - kx)##. Could i simplify this by stating that the wave is traveling in ##x## direction and only integrate over ##x## or should i use a triple ##\iiint## and integrate over ##x##, ##y## and ##z##? I need some advice on how to calculate this integral:

<br /> \int\limits_V \left| \Psi_0 \sin(\omega t - kx) \right|^2 \, \textrm{d} V<br />
 
A plane wave that extends to infinity in all directions cannot be normalized in the usual sense, i.e.

$$\int_{all space} {\Psi^* \Psi dx dy dz} = 1$$

(in three dimensions)

Such waves are not physically realistic. The amplitude of a real-world wave function has to drop off to zero as we go "far enough" away from the center of the system. This leads to the concept of wave packets.

Nevertheless, we often talk about plane waves as convenient idealizations or approximations over small regions of space.
 
jtbell said:
Such waves are not physically realistic. The amplitude of a real-world wave function has to drop off to zero as we go "far enough" away from the center of the system.

How could i then modify the wave function ##\Psi = \Psi_0 \sin(\omega t - kx)## to be acceptable for QM?
 
I think it would be best to go back and look at the fundamentals of QM, once you have, the answers to your questions will become obvious.
The answer to your question is complicated and i don't know where to start explaining.
 

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