Not every metric comes from a norm

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of metrics and norms in the context of mathematical spaces, specifically addressing the assertion that not every metric is derived from a norm. Participants explore a specific metric defined on sequences of real numbers and seek to understand the implications of this claim.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a specific metric defined as d(x,y) = ∑(i=1 to ∞) (1/2^i)(|x_i - y_i|)/(1 + |x_i - y_i|) and expresses confusion about how this metric does not originate from a norm.
  • Another participant explains that a norm measures the length of a vector in a vector space and provides a link to a definition.
  • A subsequent participant reiterates their understanding of norms and emphasizes that a norm induces a distance metric on a vector space.
  • Further clarification is provided that for a metric to not come from a norm, it must be shown that there is no norm that can induce that metric, specifically indicating that d(x,y) cannot equal p(x-y) for any norm p.
  • One participant claims to have found a counterexample by considering the vector x = (1,1,...), suggesting that 2||x|| does not equal ||2x||, although they initially considered the triangle inequality but found both the norm and metric to be conforming in that respect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of the metric not coming from a norm, and there are varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the concepts involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the proof and the specific conditions under which the metric is shown to not derive from a norm.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the proof and the definitions involved, particularly regarding the relationship between the metric and norms. There are references to specific properties of metrics and norms that are not fully explored or resolved.

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Hello!

It is said that not every metric comes from a norm.

Consider for example a metric defined on all sequences of real numbers with the metric:

d(x,y):=\displaystyle\sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{2^i}\frac{|x_i-y_i|}{1+|x_i-y_i|}

I can't grasp how can that be.

There is a proof, so could you please give me hints so that I can try and do the proof on my own.

At the moment I can only see that the whole thing is bounded by 1. What does it actually mean when we say "it does not come from a norm"?
 
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littleHilbert said:
As a matter of fact I know what a norm is.

On the site linked by Office_Shredder:
If (V, ||·||) is a normed vector space, the norm ||·|| induces a notion of distance and therefore a topology on V. This distance is defined in the natural way: the distance between two vectors u and v is given by ||u−v||.
Thus for a metric not to come from a norm means that there exists no norm that induces that metric. Thus you must show that d is a metric, but that if p(v) is any norm, then p(x-y) \not= d(x,y) for some pair x,y.
 


this was easier than I thought. In fact take x=(1,1,...), then 2||x|| is not equal to ||2x||!

First I tried to see whether the triangle inequality is not satisfied, but it did not to work, because both the norm and the metric seem somehow to be "conform" in this respect.
 

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