Notation for changing rows in a matrix

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The discussion revolves around the notation used for indicating row swaps in matrices, specifically focusing on the clarity and standardization of such notation in the context of elementary row operations.

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  • Participants explore different notations for indicating row swaps, such as R1 <-> R2 and R1 -> R2. Some express confusion over the implications of these notations, particularly regarding overwriting rows and the ambiguity of certain representations.

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Several participants have provided insights into the standard notation for row operations, noting that R1 <-> R2 is commonly accepted. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of different notations, with some participants questioning the appropriateness of their own approaches and considering the standardization of notation in mathematical contexts.

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Some participants mention that the notation used may have been misinterpreted or placed incorrectly in relation to the matrices involved. There is also a reference to the limitations of elementary row operations and the need for clarity in notation when multiple rows are involved.

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What was wrong with the notation I used for showing that I has swapped the rows? The marker put a purple ?

Any help greatly appreciated!

Many thanks!
 
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I would interpret R1 <-> R2 to mean swap row 1 and row 2. But then you put R2 <-> R1, so that would swap them back where they started.
The note that your teacher put there is a little troublesome.
I would use right-pointing arrows, R1 -> R2 to indicate that row 1 goes to row 2. But then does it overwrite row 2? It's a little ambiguous.
I would prefer one of these two approaches:
1) A single R1 <-> R2.
CORRECTION: There is a level of standardization of the notation that I was not aware of. This option #2 is wrong.
2) R1 -> R2' and R2 -> R1'
 
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FactChecker said:
I would interpret R1 <-> R2 to mean swap row 1 and row 2. But then you put R2 <-> R1, so that would swap them back where they started.
The note that your teacher put there is a little troublesome.
I would use right-pointing arrows, R1 -> R2 to indicate that row 1 goes to row 2. But then does it overwrite row 2? It's a little ambiguous.
I would prefer one of these two approaches:
1) A single R1 <-> R2.
2) R1 -> R2' and R2 -> R1'
Thank you for you reply @FactChecker!

Your approaches are very helpful. The course textbook uses the first which I think I will use.

Many thanks!
 
CORRECTION: There is a level of standardization of the notation that I was not aware of. This post is wrong.
ChiralSuperfields said:
The course textbook uses the first which I think I will use.
The second approach would be more useful when several rows are moved, but not necessarily swapped.
If you were going to move row 1 to row 2, row 2 to row 3, and row 3 to row 1, you could put:
R1 -> R2' and R2 -> R2' and R3 -> R1'.
 
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FactChecker said:
The second approach would be more useful when several rows are moved, but not necessarily swapped.
If you were going to move row 1 to row 2, row 2 to row 3, and row 3 to row 1, you could put:
R1 -> R2' and R2 -> R2' and R3 -> R1'.
Thank you for your reply @FactChecker!
 
FactChecker said:
I would use right-pointing arrows, R1 -> R2 to indicate that row 1 goes to row 2. But then does it overwrite row 2? It's a little ambiguous.
I would prefer one of these two approaches:
1) A single R1 <-> R2.
2) R1 -> R2' and R2 -> R1'
Why are you inventing your own notation? There is a universally recognised notation for elementary row operations, in this case R1 <-> R2 (or rather ## R1 \leftrightarrow R2 ##).

FactChecker said:
The second approach would be more useful when several rows are moved, but not necessarily swapped.
If you were going to move row 1 to row 2, row 2 to row 3, and row 3 to row 1, you could put:
R1 -> R2' and R2 -> R2' and R3 -> R1'.
No, do NOT do this, rotating three rows is not an elementary row operation. To achieve this you should write ## R1 \leftrightarrow R2, R1 \leftrightarrow R3 ##.
 
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I read it as a wrong positioning. I think it should have been
$$
A\stackrel{R_1\leftrightarrow R_2}{\sim} B
$$
and not
$$
\left. A\sim B \right| R_1\leftrightarrow R_2\, , \,R_2\leftrightarrow R_1
$$
which is too late, since you already did it at ##\sim##, and ambiguous since you seem to do and re-do it.
 
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ChiralSuperfields said:
What was wrong with the notation I used for showing that I has swapped the rows? The marker put a purple ?
As already mentioned, I believe the note was that your notation appeared after the 2nd matrix, not between the 1st and 2nd matrices.
FactChecker said:
The note that your teacher put there is a little troublesome.
I would use right-pointing arrows, R1 -> R2 to indicate that row 1 goes to row 2.
As already mentioned by @pbuk, the standard notation for swapping rows m and n is ##R_m \leftrightarrow R_n##. There are only three row operations:
  1. Exchanging (swapping) two rows: ##R_m \leftrightarrow R_n##
  2. Replacing a row by a nonzero multiple of itself: ##R_m \leftarrow kR_m##
  3. Replacing a row by the sum of another row and itself: ##R_m \leftarrow R_m + R_n##
 
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pbuk said:
Why are you inventing your own notation? There is a universally recognised notation for elementary row operations, in this case R1 <-> R2 (or rather ## R1 \leftrightarrow R2 ##).
Ok, I'll buy that. I didn't know that the notation was so standardized.
pbuk said:
No, do NOT do this, rotating three rows is not an elementary row operation. To achieve this you should write ## R1 \leftrightarrow R2, R1 \leftrightarrow R3 ##.
This is interesting. Although it makes sense, I didn't realize that there was so much standardization here. So the notation: ##R1 \leftrightarrow R2, R1 \leftrightarrow R3## is not commutative. The second ##R1## is the original row ##R2##.
This type of standardization is significant when a mathematical notation of row operations is developed. It is intellectually satisfying. :-)
 
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